P08 for concealed carry?
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captainbob
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I have to bring up the "Harold Fish" incident in Arizona. Fish shot a man in self-defense and was convicted and sent to prison for 10 years (thankfully this has been reversed and he is now free) partly because the prosecution made a big deal about his using an "overly powerful gun (10mm) and "deadly hollowpoint bullets". The jury bought this ludicrous stance. Beware the jury that doesn't know what we know....
Stevie-Ray
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And beware the defense lawyer that doesn't correctly question the jury prospects.
Another thing to consider is that in the event you should ever have to use the pistol in a self defense situation there's a good chance the pistol with be confiscated as evidence. Do you really want to use an expensive classic pistol for carry? Why not pick up a cheap unit and use it for carry. Just about any Glock in 9mm would do. They are inexpensive and pretty reliable.
Before I switched to stainless steel rifles with fiberglass stocks, I used to hunt with a Browning Grade IV BAR in 3006, totally impractical but when alone walking snow in white coveralls for coyotes or on bluebird days stalking or on a stand for deer, that old gun gave me pleasure, I can only imagine how many coyotes and deer I never saw because I was admiring the beautiful walnut stock, the checkering and carving, the engraving on the silvered receiver, pronghorn antelope running on one side and running whitetail deer on the other.
Altho not the P08 yet, I have carried some old classics in generic holsters and never felt underarmed and it gave me pleasure to carry a classic, Walther P38, P5 Compact, PPK, Hk P9S and P7M8 ETC, whether carrying the Luger is practical or not,and I think it is a fine gun, if it gives you pleasure go for it !
Altho not the P08 yet, I have carried some old classics in generic holsters and never felt underarmed and it gave me pleasure to carry a classic, Walther P38, P5 Compact, PPK, Hk P9S and P7M8 ETC, whether carrying the Luger is practical or not,and I think it is a fine gun, if it gives you pleasure go for it !
The PO8 is a POS
Even the Nazi's didn't want to carry one. The Liger PO 8 was introduced in 1908. It was a BS gun then and it hasn't gotten any better. Even the Wehrmacht thought so and after overrunning Belgium in 1940 and taking the FN plant, the most soufght after gun by the Wehrmacht was the Browning HP made in the FN plant with Wehrmacht markings.
The PO8 does jam, it's a fact of life. You can fire 500 rounds at the range and then have a jam when you attempt to protect yourself and that's all she wrote.
Why would you even seriously consider a gun to protect your life that had been ridiculed by firearm experts for 100 years? When the US Army was considering the 1911, Lugar sent two Lugar's in .45 for consideration of by the Army as a replacement for the .38 postoil and they were rejected because they repeatedly jammed.
It is nice to see one in a display case but that's the extent of it's usefulness.
Even the Nazi's didn't want to carry one. The Liger PO 8 was introduced in 1908. It was a BS gun then and it hasn't gotten any better. Even the Wehrmacht thought so and after overrunning Belgium in 1940 and taking the FN plant, the most soufght after gun by the Wehrmacht was the Browning HP made in the FN plant with Wehrmacht markings.
The PO8 does jam, it's a fact of life. You can fire 500 rounds at the range and then have a jam when you attempt to protect yourself and that's all she wrote.
Why would you even seriously consider a gun to protect your life that had been ridiculed by firearm experts for 100 years? When the US Army was considering the 1911, Lugar sent two Lugar's in .45 for consideration of by the Army as a replacement for the .38 postoil and they were rejected because they repeatedly jammed.
It is nice to see one in a display case but that's the extent of it's usefulness.
Good Lord!
The toggle assembly alone has three major moving parts, connected at three different axes, the "fixed" barrel is an extension of another major moving part that must recoil a certain distance to activate the toggle assembly which, by the way, is connected by a bellcrank to another moving part which incorporates the action spring.
Furthermore, the middle toggle also has to cam the spring loaded striker back in order for the gun to properly cock, otherwise the toggles would never return to battery.
All of that is coupled with the fact that the last 3/16" travel of the action in order to return to battery is reliant solely upon residual inertia of the toggles/upper receiver assembly and is not assisted by positive spring tension.
I won't even get into the trigger to sear sequence of events which essentially requires movement around 4 corners.
Yes, I would have to say that there are entirely too many moving parts, and there are much better choices for SD guns.
Stevie-Ray
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Can't have that, you'd ruin the airbrushed candy canes.
Inner Dark
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So many folks throwing their two cents in with no apparent idea at all as to what is the answer to the question. LoL
In the 1950s and 60s if you wanted to carry a 9mm in the US you had basically 3 choices. The P38, the Browning Hi-Power and the Luger. <Yeah, I know, Astra 600, but no one liked them.> I saw several folks who carried Lugers in that era. Flipping through various publications, Guns & Ammo, American Rifleman, Gun Facts, etc. from the mid 60s (66 to early 68) today in addition to finding Lugers available as mail order sales items (at prices under $40), I also see that both Bucheimer and Bianchi offered holsters for them.
To OP, if you want leather, may I suggest hunting for an old Bianchi type 88 holster (try Ebay). They were intended for Lugers. There is a local deputy sheriff who carries one in court in a shoulder rig when doing bailiff duty. It has been a few years since I visited the courtroom but I may swing by it and ask him (if I spot him) who made it.
Of course the Walmart Versa Carry holsters would work. Some of the Uncle Mike selections may be to your liking. Their Stoger 9mm Luger holsters should be fully compatible with your military P.08.
http://holsters.unclemikes.com/Holsters/Luger/9mm (Stoeger)/4
In the 1950s and 60s if you wanted to carry a 9mm in the US you had basically 3 choices. The P38, the Browning Hi-Power and the Luger. <Yeah, I know, Astra 600, but no one liked them.> I saw several folks who carried Lugers in that era. Flipping through various publications, Guns & Ammo, American Rifleman, Gun Facts, etc. from the mid 60s (66 to early 68) today in addition to finding Lugers available as mail order sales items (at prices under $40), I also see that both Bucheimer and Bianchi offered holsters for them.
To OP, if you want leather, may I suggest hunting for an old Bianchi type 88 holster (try Ebay). They were intended for Lugers. There is a local deputy sheriff who carries one in court in a shoulder rig when doing bailiff duty. It has been a few years since I visited the courtroom but I may swing by it and ask him (if I spot him) who made it.
Of course the Walmart Versa Carry holsters would work. Some of the Uncle Mike selections may be to your liking. Their Stoger 9mm Luger holsters should be fully compatible with your military P.08.
http://holsters.unclemikes.com/Holsters/Luger/9mm (Stoeger)/4
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In the 23 years of ownership of my P-08 Luger it has never "jammed", and I feed it all kinds of 9MM INCLUDING hollow points. It is also very accurate. My only problem with it revolves around the design of the safety, and the possibility if will fire when loaded due to a tap on the external safety bar. There would have to be a perfect strike on the safety bar, but it is possible I assume.
NWCP and others have mentioned police handling of a firearm taken as evidence and after 30+ years in a police dept and responsible for firearms what they say is not the whole truth. I have seen situations where the property room used blue plastic barrels to stuff full of rifles to save space--and I mean stuffed, scratched, dinged, squashed scopes etc.
Many officers seem to think that a serial is not enough identification and the ole' electric pencil is used for initials, case numbers, girl friends phone number, lottery ticket number etc. I over heard one officer with the dreaded electro pencil in hand state if the bad guy got his gun back it would not be worth much"... so why take a piece of history and risk loss or damage when a more modern , reliable and cheaper weapon is available.
Many officers seem to think that a serial is not enough identification and the ole' electric pencil is used for initials, case numbers, girl friends phone number, lottery ticket number etc. I over heard one officer with the dreaded electro pencil in hand state if the bad guy got his gun back it would not be worth much"... so why take a piece of history and risk loss or damage when a more modern , reliable and cheaper weapon is available.
Deaf Smith
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Well THRUSH agents carried the P08, so why not?
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