Overheard at gun show

What if it were a S&W Model 53 chambered in .22 Remington Jet? :D A 40gr bullet @ ~2,000 fps is nothing to sneeze at. :cool:

Too bad it had serious problems with case setback that would occasionally lock up the gun. :( Also, it's pretty much exclusively a handloader's cartridge today. Still cool though. :)
 
Maybe the buyer purchased a .22 Korth Revolver for $300.:D I'd pay first and ask questions latter too!
 
Consider: Most bad guys are chickens and cowards, any kind of resistance is too much...when you are looking at the wrong end of a revolver, you have to be a gun person to guess the caliber...and then there are some pretty hot .22s too...bad guy runs away...not a bad outcome ya think?

Let's say this guy had limited funds and found an old 6", 9 shot, .22 High Standard revolver for $200. Well, that is about what a load of 12ga 00 buck shot is. 9 pellets of .22 diameter lead...no?

Revolvers are very simple, pull trigger, gun goes bank, pull again, gun goes bang, pull again, gun goes click, pull again gun goes bang...no need to clear a jam for a dud.

I hope he now goes to a range and gets some instruction, but for it's intended purpose (that is, home defense),,,a 6" revolver is much better than nothing.
 
Revolvers are very simple, pull trigger, gun goes bank, pull again, gun goes bang, pull again, gun goes click, pull again gun goes bang...no need to clear a jam for a dud.
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Unless you encounter a squib, hang fire, timing problem or put your hand anywhere near the gap - revolvers aren't without their problems. Clearing a "jam" if/when they rarely happen in decent modern guns, is rarely a problem.
A good semi-auto is as reliable as a good revolver.
 
Favorite thing to do at gun show . . .

My favorite thing to do at gun shows it to take a gun "value" book with me. Gets a lot of dealers "anxious" when you stand there looking at their guns and are also looking up their real $$$ worth. I had one guy tell me, "that's a dangerous book." I wish I'd thought to ask him what he meant by that.

Live well, be safe
Prof Young
 
Once upon a time, I went to a gun show with a friend who was going to buy his first two semi-automatic pistols. He had pretty well decided what he wanted. There was just going to be the "hold it in your hand test" and a little comparison shopping.

He picked them out, and the dealer (actually an employee of the dealer) grabbed to boxes. I asked if we could look inside first (while I talked to my friend while he looked, these were my first words directed at the employee). He opened them, and I noticed they only had one magazine.

I asked where the other one was (my friend had picked out two that I had bought not more than a month before) and was told that they only came with one. I replied that they came from the factory with two.

The guy came completely unglued. Called me all kinds of names at the top of his lungs. Told me to mind my own business and get the f___ away from his table. It was quite a show and drew lots of attention.

The phrase that I still recall was that I was a "wannabe". I've never figured out what he thought I wanted to be. Like him?

I took my buddy by the elbow and told him he could spend his money someplace else. He did.

Of course this is a bit different to the situation in the OP. I was with my buddy and helping him.
 
Let's say this guy had limited funds and found an old 6", 9 shot, .22 High Standard revolver for $200. Well, that is about what a load of 12ga 00 buck shot is. 9 pellets of .22 diameter lead...no?
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Actually, 00 is about .33 caliber. When you get down to #4 buck (not shot) you're down to around .23 caliber. With a standard 2.75in shell, you get 9 pellets at .33 caliber...that'll hurt. If you're loaded with #4 buck (I've seen #4 and #1 recommended a lot lately over 00 buck for HD), that's around 21 .23 caliber pellets flying at your target. Sooo, bad comparison, trying to compare a .22 to a 12ga.

I'll add to it that .22 is better than nothing at all. The buyer should have asked questions before hand, not after money had exchanged hands. Technically, what the seller said wasn't lying, but it might be construed as a bit disingenuous.
 
The guy came completely unglued. Called me all kinds of names at the top of his lungs. Told me to mind my own business and get the f___ away from his table. It was quite a show and drew lots of attention.

The phrase that I still recall was that I was a "wannabe". I've never figured out what he thought I wanted to be. Like him?
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Yeah, that why I don't go to shows anymore. In my experience, most the merchants at the shows are hoping for the newbies to show - not someone from a place like TFL.
 
Gaerek said:
If you're loaded with #4 buck (I've seen #4 and #1 recommended a lot lately over 00 buck for HD), that's around 21 .23 caliber pellets flying at your target. Sooo, bad comparison, trying to compare a .22 to a 12ga.
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Pops, based on his use of an Ithaca '37 in Southeast Asia, swears by No. 4 Buck because of the increased pellet load.

I like No. 4 Buck because those .23 won't go as far in my apartment or the next one.
 
Since I started the posting, I'm going to chime in with my own opinion here.

I don't think the seller was in the wrong, primarily because the money had already changed hands. The sale had been made before the questions were asked. And yes, a .22 revolver is good for home defense compared to nothing. It was too late to educate the buyer at that point and find out what pistol might have been best for him. Also I will mention that it was a private collector, not an FFL, who made the sale.

I also don't think the buyer was necessarily an idiot. Who knows what advice he might have been acting upon. He wanted a pistol for 300 dollars and he got a pistol for 300 dollars.

I am mainly just curious how he did happen to choose that particular revolver. I suspect a combination of the appearance and the price. Unfortunately, I don't know what model it was. All I noticed was that it had a 6 inch barrel and a polished stainless finish.

Chaz
 
Pops, based on his use of an Ithaca '37 in Southeast Asia, swears by No. 4 Buck because of the increased pellet load.

I like No. 4 Buck because those .23 won't go as far in my apartment or the next one.
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I use 00 right now in my HD Mossberg 500. But that's only because I got a good deal. Buddy was moving and wanted to offload ammo, so he sold me like 40 5 round boxes for $50. Cheap Federal stuff, but it'll get the job done. When I get a bit lower in my stock, I saw some Federal Defense loads that use the Flight Control Wad and #4 buck. Will probably change to that.
 
Right now my Maverick 88 SD is loaded with 2 00 buck and 3 #4 buck with the #4 coming out first. I figure that if what I'm shooting at isn't stopped with the #4 then I'm pretty sure it will with the 00 and by then I should be able to get to my gun safe and get something that will stop the menace.
 
I don't know where you guys all live, but some sound like most bad guys are very determined and will try to rush a shotgun???? Really, I don't think so.

Out where I live, I have bird shot in first followed by slugs...Why? The birdshot can be fired into the air, a tree or basically anywhere and I don't have to worry where the pellets come down. The slugs are to to kill the bear if he doesn't run at the sound of the bird shot going off.'

Last thing I want to do is shoot and kill a spring bear that is all skin and bone and doesn't even have a good pelt. I would much rather make him run.

I have several different pistols of several different calibers if the BG walks on two legs. If one of the .22's is closest, that is the one I'll grab...under normal circumstances I expect it to be totally sufficent to stop the BG from doing what he/she is intent on doing. The thing is, a good shot from a 22 is more effective than a bad shot from a Smith 500
 
I would never, ever, ever, ever load a round into a gun that has little to no stopping power when there are other rounds for that particular gun that have good stopping power.

When I first took my shotgun hiking in Grizzly country, I read some forums and took some bad advice. They said the first round should be birdshot, followed by buckshot and follow that by slugs, then alternate buck and slugs. I didn't see anyone say that was a bad idea, so that's what I did. Then I was talking to an Alaska State Trooper friend of mine (he's been featured on the show a few times) who asked my why my first round was birdshot. I said so that I can try to scare the bear instead of killing it, and if he keeps coming, then I can unload the buck and slugs.

He nodded, then asked me this, "How many rounds do you think you'll get off on a charging bear before he gets to you?" I said that I honestly don't know. He said, if the gun is slung on your shoulder, you'd be lucky to get one off, and if that one didn't stop the bear (bears don't always respond to pain or noise, especially if they're hungry, defending food, or with cubs), he'd be on top of you clawing your face off. He then said, if you give him a face full of birdshot, there's a great chance that even if it does scare him off, he'll lose sight in maybe one, probably both eyes, and perhaps even his sense of smell. You've still killed the bear, but this way it'll take a month or two for him to starve to death.

He said when you're in bear country, don't carry anything that won't have a great chance of stopping the bear. Later that year, I actually ran into a bear, and was about 10 feet from it before I noticed it. Luckily he ran off, but if he hadn't there wouldn't have been any way I would have gotten more than 1 shot off. That sold me. And by the way, when you're out in the woods, bears are hard to spot. Every encounter I've had (and I've had a few) has been within 20 yards. If my gun was slung on my back and the bear decided to charge at the moment I saw him, I wouldn't be able to get more than a shot off.

Sorry, not going to take my chances with bird shot against a bear.

And for those interested, my Trooper friend recommends Brenneke Black Magic 3" Magnums for bears. That's what the troopers use, and that's what I used.
 
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