Our Losses in Iraq...

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No problem bh! But I'm sure YOU will enlighten us all as to how this is "not really proof" because their is no photographic evidence or some other nonsense.

No problem bh! But I'm sure YOU will enlighten us all as to how this is "not really proof" because their is no photographic evidence or some other nonsense.

"I don't think there's any doubt but that there were some contacts between Saddam Hussein's government and al-Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden's people." (9-11 Commission Vice Chairman Lee Hamilton, News Hour with Jim Lehrer, June 16, 2004)’
That is one man's opinion. Do you not understand the difference between posting the opinion of a guy as opposed to actual evidence? Like evidence from people who were there and saw things, money trails like our CIA tracked back to the Saudis.... you posted one opinion, can you tell me why the man never backed it up with anything?

"Yes, there were contacts between Iraqi and al-Qaeda, a number of them, some of them a little shadowy. They were definitely there." (9-11 Commission Chairman Thomas Kean, News Hour with Jim Lehrer, June 16, 2004).
Yet, not a shred of proof has been offered and when Cheney got hammered for claiming such connections existed, he took it in the teeth. If there was even a single scrap of evidence, do you seriously doubt Bush would be waving it over his head at a press conference? Honestly?

"Bin Ladin also explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan, despite his opposition to Hussein's secular regime... A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting Bin Ladin in 1994." (9-11 Commission Staff Statement 15, June 16, 2004).
This is well known and very old news. Bin laden was looking for money back then, Hussein wanted to hear him out because he knew that OBL could be a threat. Hussein listened and then told him to go f--k a camel. There was ZERO interaction after that between Hussein and Bin laden, except for the constant threats Bin laden made towards Iraq and promises to overthrow Hussein.

"Bin Ladin is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded. There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda also occurred after Bin Ladin had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship." (9-11 Commission Staff Statement 15, June 16, 2004)
No, Iraq certainly DID RESPOND.... and the suggestion was that OBL could put it where the sun don't shine.

So much for all those lefty claims that "the 9-11 Commission found no links between Saddam and al Qaeda".
The claim is that there is not a shred of tangible evidence showing any collaboartive or material support of any kind between Iraq and Al Qaeda, and the lefties who said it were our own CIA. Again, you can't honestly believe that if Bush had any document (even a forged one like the Niger document) he wouldn't be screaming "I told you so!" at the top of his lungs?

Add in the fact that Saddam was giving $25,000 to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers, provided sanctuary for Abu Nidal, the terrorist training camp at Salman Pak and Iraq inclusion on the State Departments list of state sponsors of terrorism, and only a blind partisan or a fool could argue that there was "no link" between Saddam and terrorism.
Exactly how does supporting the PLO threaten us or how did that help AQ on the 9/11 attack? Isn't that a stretch?

The Abu Nidal thing has been thoroughly discounted. The guy went through like a tourist. We had Fidel castro attending college in the US for about six years and he even played minor league baseball (a pitcher). I suppose that proves the US was collaborating and supporting the communist revolution in Cuba? Get real. You can't throw a handful of camel poop in the middle east without hitting somebody who is supposed to be a terrorist.

As to the urban myth of the terrorist training camps inside Iraq... I'll repeat my challenge that always goes unanswered: any photos? We have hundreds of sat photos of garbage trucks supposedly hauling nuclear wate... but something as big as a camp with no feet couldn't be caught on film?

The only confirmed "terrorist camp" was some squatters who elbowed the Kurds over in northern Iraq for a while to hide in a region that they knew saddam did not control or defend (that's why the Kurds hang out there) near the Turkey border. Our intel said they were Hezbollah, not Al qaeda. The myth of the camps all through Iraq with Al qaeda training are just that: myths. In reality, we have tons of pictures of AQ training camps: they are all in pakistan.

Sorry, but Shakespeare said it best: All his golden words are spent...... But they didn't go anywhere. And still no answer to the core question: Bush went to war claiming Iraq was in bed with terroism. He stood on the deck of the carrier Abraham Lincoln and claimed he had "taken away an ally of Al qaeda". He got his ass thoroughly kicked for that because he could NOT back any of it up.

You say that everybody KNOWS about all these connections..... yet where is even a shred of anyhting you can point o besides some guy saying: "Oh, yeah... it was there... shadowy, but it was in there somewhere."

Give me a break. The CIA has been scouring documents in Iraq for over a yaer and we keep hearing about the "smoking gun" they found proving Hussein was this or that... yet, still nothing. I ain't holding my breath.
 
That is one man's opinion. Do you not understand the difference between posting the opinion of a guy as opposed to actual evidence?

No, that is one of MANY mens opinions! Both the chair and co-chair of the 9-11 Commission and the staff of the commission agree that Saddam had ties with al Qaeda.

Hussein listened and then told him to go f--k a camel. There was ZERO interaction after that between Hussein and Bin laden, except for the constant threats Bin laden made towards Iraq and promises to overthrow Hussein.

Well, since you are such a stickler for "PROOF" and "actual evidence", I'm sure you will have no problem providing that for us. I'm waiting with shivers of anticipation for you to provide it, bh! :cool:

No, Iraq certainly DID RESPOND.... and the suggestion was that OBL could put it where the sun don't shine.

Once more, I'm dying to see your "evidence"!

Exactly how does supporting the PLO threaten us or how did that help AQ on the 9/11 attack?

But wait, wasn't it you that said: "If you have any PROOF of a link between Iraq and a terrorist group, please print it."? Are you denying that the PLO is a terrorist organization? And the fact is, that many Americans HAVE been murdered by members of the PLO.

The Abu Nidal thing has been thoroughly discounted. The guy went through like a tourist.

Once again, bh, show us your "actual evidence" that Abu Nidal was not being given santuary by Saddam. Abu Nidal lived in Iraq for over 15 years under the protection of Saddam Hussain, but maybe he was just taking LOTS of photos of archeolgical sites as a "tourist". :rolleyes:

Here's MY evidence showing otherwise:
http://www.cfrterrorism.org/groups/abunidal.html

As to the urban myth of the terrorist training camps inside Iraq... I'll repeat my challenge that always goes unanswered: any photos?

Photos? Sure, no problem!
http://www.tortlaw.com/images/Salman Pak terror facility.jpg

And these haven't even been proven to be forgeries like the "documents" your buddy Dan Rather tried to foist off on the American people. You know, the ones YOU say are 100% correct! :D

He (Bush) got his ass thoroughly kicked for that because he could NOT back any of it up.

I'm sorry, I must have been asleep when the anouncement that John Kerry won the election was made! :confused:

Once again bh, you have been provided with statements of the people who would know best, the 9-11 Commission chairs, and now a photo, showing that you don't know what you're talking about. You can keep telling those old lefty lies over and over again; but the American people didn't believe them on Nov. 2nd and they're not going to believe them now!

Until you can show 1/10th of the documentation that you have been provided, why not go back to your Post Election Syndrome Trauma (PEST) group therapy meetings and have a group hug or something! :p
 
We're gonna close this one now 'cause it looks like it could go on forever and never reach a conclusion. 7 pages and 163 replies to the original post. 'Kinda hard to catch up if you haven't been here from the start. If any of you want to keep it going, start another thread.
 
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