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Gunslinger

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This topic will proably need to be deleted to avoid getting in a flame war with them. However I simply have to blow of some steam!

Has anyone else here been reading any of the post over on AR15.com? During the recent "outages" I started visitng there occasionally. These people are killing us in the RKBA! If we lose our RKBA I'm not going to blame Clinton, the democrats, Sarah Bradey or HCI. I'm going to blame gun owners like them. Not all of them. Some are also members here. But there seems to be a very large number of immature, sophmoric juveniles there.
Recently a member there even told them his college newspaper excerted post from the forum as weekly column to illustrate why we should not have the RKBA. Yet they still continue to erode our rights with their post. I'm seriously beginning to wonder if there aren't antis there posing as gun owners for the purpose of drawing juvenile responses from the members. Now they've taken their act on the road and are flooding other boards like the MS magazine discussion forum with their childish behavior.

End of rant.

Moderators feel free to delete this thread for obvious reasons if you feel it prudent.

A disgusted Gunslinger
 
There are alot of good folks over at AR.15, and I am sure they will agree with you that they have some immature ones there. Both boards are totally different, I consider TFL my home, but I do like to hit some of the boards once in awhile and AR15 is one of them. I've seen them talk about here and here talk about them. We all gotta stick together, if one falls we all fall. Let's just hope that the ones doing it will realize what they are doing is not helping our cause. I wish everyone could just get along :(
 
Well, now, you've gone and got yourself all worked up over a bunch of juveniles. 'Thought you had better sense. ;) There are some fine folks at AR15.com. They just get drowned out on occasion.

If the antis want some ammo to use, there will always be somebody in cammies walking down mainstreet.

I go over to some of the other BBs and just shake my head sometimes at the stuff I read. 'Nothing to be done except keep what we have here.

'Think it's worth the trouble to go over there and mix it up?

[This message has been edited by sensop (edited April 10, 2000).]
 
I typically hang out at AR15.com more than here. (Maybe it's my goofy sense of humor) It was going pretty nice over there for a while, but some people are just too trigger happy with the "troll alert button". I just skip the stupid topics and concentrate on the worthwile ones. It's a shame that new members have to go through some kind of hazing ritual if they don't post quite right.
 
Yeah.......I used to love it there......but alass......I just can't stand the place now.......it's just not a firearms board anymore :(.

"One rotten apple spoils the bunch"

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Star Trek nerd and proud of it
 
I hang around ar15.com too and the trick is to visit the information forums like ones for the specific manufacturers, or barrels & uppers, rimfire and pistol, full auto, training and tactics, optics. Their General Discussion Forum has become fertile grounds for flame wars. Having communicated with their moderators, I know something of the policies of that board and wouldn't fault their moderators for what's happening over there. Like themselves, I don't like it either.

You can learn a lot at ar15.com, but it depends on where you hang out over there.


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Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt
 
Ya'll are right in that I am getting worked up over something that nothing can be done about. There are good members there. There is information to be learned there. However the bad post now outweigh the good.
The thing I find alarming and appalling is the fact that it is a public forum and they are helping the antis. I realize that the antis can always find something to fault us for. But to delibratly or uncaringly make it easy for them does not help the cause.

If nothing else it does serve to make one appreciate TFL and the staff all the more.

Still disgusted but feeling better. Thanks,
Gunslinger
 
AR15.com is the Dennys of UBB gun sites.
They are an easy find right off the web interstate. The general forum is innundated with pre college aged newbies on a 45 day cycle. Find a vocal user there and search for their posts and you will find out that they hardly post in the specific forums. Alot of the posts are immature un-centered in-duh-viduals trolling for any response. Lots of rubber necking over there.

on the internet no one knows if you are a dog.

dZ
 
I spend time on AR15 and here at TFL. I find good people on both sites, but I must admit that the General Discussion forum at AR15 has become a playground for some pretty immature individuals. I ignore the "flame wars" and concentrate on the posts by serious firearms enthusiasts.
 
I must day that I think of AR15.com as my home. Sadly we have had an influx of.. well.. IDIOTS over the last couple of months. The moderators are afraid to do to much because people will bitch and yell about not being able to say what they want. Typical 1st grade attitude. I hope antiussa and the other mods will come aound and start kcking some of the morons around. I will say that I feel TFL is over-moderated, but ar15 is way undermoderated. There has got to be some middle ground somewhere.
 
I'll put in a vote of confidence in the Moderators and regular Members at AR15. They do get their share of trying Members, but the guys who stick around tend to rise above.
Rich
 
The problem with the GD forum over at AR15 is that there is little to no moderating. Now, we can't blame the moderators completely as they have been told by Edward (administrator) to "let them say what they want". I was told this by one of the moderators.

It doesn't bother me because as others have stated, I ignore the idiots. But, when these children sling out threats, profanity and suggestions for violence then we all have to take a stance.

IMHO, the administrator, moderators and the "regulars" all have a responsibility to see that the "gun owner" representation is held in high regards.

Unfortunately, many examples over on AR15 disgust me and provide a very por example for the rest of us.

How long are we going to let this continue?

I applaud the moderators and administrators here at TFL for keeping such fine order.

CMOS

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GOA, TSRA, LEAA, NRA, SAF and I vote!

[This message has been edited by CMOS (edited April 10, 2000).]
 
Gunslinger- You are 100% correct. AR15.com has some terrific technical forums, but the Gen. Discussion is an insult to the intelligence of anyone with an IQ over 50. Anyone reading those threads would NEVER give any credibility to RKBA. Just some of the user names is enough to make you puke. The administrators of that site need to be replaced with people who are a lot more mature. just my 2 cents.

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"middle of the road"-where a yellow streak and dead carcasses are found.
 
I was reading this post and decided to check out ar15 as I've never been there. I read one post. My God what an embarassment IMO.
The sort of racist and bigoted dialogue was appalling. Even if it was in "fun" it was appalling. One person who posted did make alot of sense in that he was confronting the others on how this sort of rhetoric validates
the anti gunners stance that we as a group are irresponsible, trigger happy, racist and intellectually lazy when it comes to being able to address the social issues we all confront. (actually these are my words ,but I think this was his point). Example: for the past two years I have been working in an agency run by two people who could best be described as "liberals". However, they have allowed me to carry concealed in the office during this time. They have been open to hearing my point of view on RKBA and have begun to think about what they hear in the media in a more critical manner. Another person in the office who previously bought into HCI's nonsense now owns a pistol, is going to the range with me and intends to apply for his ccw and is now a member of this board. None of this would have happened if their initial exposure had been to what I just read on ar15. My own 02 is that we need to find a way to become more inclusive with others who are different than us rather than exclusive.
Daddycat..pant, pant. :)

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"A rigid investment in flexability is but another closed system of thinking"
 
One thing to note about AR15.com is that it must be generating some money on all those flames.

Ed's got quite the hit count of people with enough supposed money to buy an AR. True, maybe the banners are not being clicked thru alot, but there are alot of eyes.

In the view of the advertisers, those trolls are upping the viewer rating of the site

dZ
 
What Daddycat said is exactly what I am talking about. Many people use the Internet seeking information. Anyone who "accidently" found AR15 that is not a "gun person" would come away thinking the media and antis are absolutely correct about us. I cannot believe the owner and staff are serious about the RKBA to allow the behavior that goes on there. They must know as well as we do that others read their forum. Just one of them can easily undo weeks of work by several progun people. Especially when they take their act on the road to other "non-gun" forums.

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Gunslinger

We live in a time in which attitudes and deeds once respected as courageous and honorable are now scorned as being antiquated and subversive.
 
It ain't that bad. Gen discussion is the only forum on ar15.com that I regularly read. TFL is an awfully stuffy dictatorship in the general discussion and legal/politics forums. It still is the best generic bbs about firearms though. Folks without a sense humour or who are politically correct, would be easily offended at ar15.com.

[This message has been edited by 6forsure (edited April 10, 2000).]
 
Another thing to consider is that both of the General Discussion moderators were at the Texas Black Rifle Shoot over the weekend. Many idjets took note of this fact and apparently decided to take advantage of it - Kinda like when the teacher leaves the room for a few minutes.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 6forsure:
It ain't that bad. Gen discussion is the only forum on ar15.com that I regularly read. TFL is an awfully stuffy dictatorship in the general discussion and legal/politics forums. It still is the best generic bbs about firearms though. Folks without a sense humour or who are politically correct, would be easily offended at ar15.com.

[This message has been edited by 6forsure (edited April 10, 2000).][/quote]


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