I feel compelled to get my $.02 in before this gets closed since I started it.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> from EnochGale:
Also, the Boy Scouts should stop accepting any government funding and endorsements.
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Perhaps.. then the government should stop giving hand-outs to dozens of other groups that clearly do not need it as well. The entire problem with this.. is that a
private organization is being told by the government that they
have to accept people that do not agree with their standards or fit within their guidelines. Why would a gay man want to join the Boy Scouts when they clearly know that it is contrary to the beliefs of the Boy Scouts? I can recall (as a Boy Scout in the late 80's) many troops having trouble with gay Scout Masters who were intent on flaunting their "gayness" amongst the younger scouts. I realize that every group has a few bad apples.. but there was an
exceptional amount of bad apples here..
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> from Jeff Thomas
You and I have been around this subject before. In my opinion, the gay community is creating a needless backlash for themselves with this cause. People will not be forced to associate with gays in their private organizations (especially those with a religious component), and attempts to force otherwise will not help in assimilating gays into our society. This will create needless hatred.
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Jeff, I couldn't agree with you more on this one.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> from EnochGale
Show me how that influences your job performance.
And the churches that condemn gays, should take a hard look at themselves.
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re: job performance
My roommate recently witnessed several fellow employees getting fired due to drug usage. Several guys he worked with (an electrician) smoked pot so heavily that you could smell it on them (and work vehicles) at any given time. After a few minor job-related accidents (from being high) they were cut loose. The company he worked for did not have a drug policy up to this point. Not to mention, that on the way to work they would stop and purchase more pot to smoke on their breaks...
re: churches
What have they got to examine themselves for? It is the individual at fault. Unlike everyone else in the world today, the churches (or majority of them)
are not reinventing themselves to make gays feel special.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> from FUD
I would say that churches who condemn gays have already taken a hard look at themselves and made the correct decision. It is clear to me that an overwhelming majority of society has drifted from what the Good Book says in way or another (myself included -- remember, he without sin, cast the first stone) & it is the role AND responsibility of churches to point out our failures.
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Good buddy, I
COULD NOT agree with you more on that one! *high five*
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> from labgrade
Coupla parts of the First Amendment say: freedom of association & freedom of speech.
Bot Scouts get to associate with whomever they want & anybody don't like it gets to bitch.
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How about another
*high five* for labgrade.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> from JerryM
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Jerry, rather that quote all that, I think you and FUD put it best when you piped up about the decline of morals/values/etc in society today..
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> from EnochGale
You offer nothing to the debate except Scripture. When you can prove the existence of God then you might have a case.
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EnochGale, no one is asking you to believe in such things.. but proving that their is a God would defeat the purpose of faith. If it was proven that God did exist, how more likely are you to take it as a "fact" anyway?
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> from Juan Hunt Greer
Trying to avoid the legal issues here for a moment, It would be totally INAPPROPRIATE for a gay man to take a group of young men & boys on a wilderness outing for the same reasons as it would be inappropriate for me to take a group of young ( 10-16 ) girls on such an outing, where privacy is minimal and even minor emergencies can reduce that to zero. This is true wven though I know that I intend absolutely nothing improper! just my $0.02
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Exactly! Which makes me wonder why gay men aren't trying to get into the girl scouts.. hmm...
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> from FUD
This country was founded on a belief in God. The 2nd Amendment, which we so frequently fall back on as our right to keep & bear arms, is one of the 10 rights bestowed on mankind from his Creator (another name for God). Take God out of the picture and who gave us our right to keep & bare arms? Nobody! If nobody gave us these rights, then we really don't have them and they can therefore be taken away from us. Sounds very much like the logic used by the Anti's.
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Thats all I need to know. I find it amazing that for a country founded in the belief of God, that we are so willing to write God out of everything today. Forget being sensitive to people who do not believe in God. When you moved here (or born here), you inherited freedom. This freedom allows you just that, freedom. Disagree with the motive and ideals that this country was founded on... fine. But don't come in here and change it to fit your needs! Don't like it, move somewhere else!
Uh.. forgot my /rant tag on that one..
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> from Kevinw
I think the big thing here is this question though. When does an Idividuals rights end and a privately owned organazations begin? THis is where I personally have troble. I believe everyone should have the right to be a part of something no no matter what they look like or who they want to sleep with. But At the same time the Boy Scouts does have rights as an Org. So where does one end and the other begin.
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Well its simple. BSA says
NO GAY SCOUT LEADERS meaning they are not allowed. They are a private organization, so therefore they draw the rules. Don't draw the rules.. tough. Why an individual would want to
attempt to be a part of something that wants nothing to do with them.. go figure. Buy like gun policies.. don't want anyone to know you're packin'? Well then hide the package..
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> from MrBigglesworth
Why want to join an organization that doesnt want you?
Why not start up your own similar organization with like minded people?
Why can't the protestors do this?
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I suppose they don't have the gray matter to handle it. But now that I think about it.. I'm sure there wouldn't be a lot of parents that would want to send their chidlren to The Gay Boy Scouts of America. Think about it. Where are you going to find gay kids at that age with parents that are willing to send them to such a camp. Unless they had gay parents [rant]which I think is evil in the most haneous way[/rant]. Anyway...
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God,
Guns and
Guts made this country
a great country!
oberkommando sez:
"We lost the first and third and now they are after the Second!(no pun intended)"
