Organize! Mobilize! Fight!

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ForeignDude

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This is it! As excerpted from the NY Times:

“It’s not just committees — our influence within the House Democratic caucus will grow enormously,” Mr. Rangel said in an interview.

To that end, he sketched out an expansive federal agenda: Teaming up with Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg on gun control...

Mr. Schumer and other members of Congress said they could not recall another time when the New York delegation would have so much pull...

It is time to mobilize!

Pass this along to everyone you know, to every gun owner, hunter, sport-shooter, 2A supporter you can get a hold of:

(1) Skip the next two trips to the range or the next hunt, save every penny, and join NRA, Gun Owners of America, Second Amendment Foundation.
Only a sharp spike in the membership in gun rights groups will strike fear into the hearts of anti-gun Democrats and those on the fence. We must project the picture of a united, mobilized, organized force that will not yield an inch. This is no time for squabbles over tactics; squabbling is a luxury. If you can afford it, join all three organizations. Convince your spouse/partner to get his/her own membership in one of these organizations. (And don't tell me that joining is too expensive for you! The money you're using to stock up on 5.56 mm ammo will be better spent gaining membership to these organizations. Buying crates of ammo for your tricked-out AR ain't gonna be worth squat when the damn thing is banned under Brady II.)

(2) Write a letter to each of these organizations, enclosed with a check for the first year's membership fee.
Let them know that you are joining their organization to pre-empt any infringement on your right to keep and bear arms. In return, you expect them to fight, ruthlessly and tirelessly... Don't sulk, don't whine, and don't procrastinate! If you have time for a beer and movie, you've got time for this. If you want a sample letter that you can work off of, tell me and I will write something and post it on this board.

(3) Stay up to date with your organization's legislative alerts.
If you're asked to contact your Congressman with regards to pending legislation, DO IT! If you got time to go to the range, then you got time to write a letter, make a phone call, send an e-mail, or mail a postcard to protect the other side of the equation -- your gun rights.

The time to strike is NOW!

If you could go back in time, would you do your utmost to defeat NY's Sullivan Act? If you could, would you breathe your last to undo the Gun Control Act of 1968? Would you?

Well, now is our chance. This is our moment. There are no excuses. We fight now, or we hand down to our children a freedom in tatters.

So, what will it be?
Will you organize?
Will you mobilize?
Will you fight with me, for "ourselves and our Posterity"?
 
A few months from now, in this very forum, we will still hear from people who will not join the NRA because "they send me too many requests for money".

Maybee even sooner:rolleyes:
 
Wtf?

Hey, what gives? You guys think I'm some kind of troll, some inadequate soul out to sow discord in these pages?

I can't believe this sh*t! I make an impassioned plea for my fellow gun owners to join a political struggle, to pre-empt what I believe will be future abuses to our liberties under the Second Amendment. Jeez, guys... With friends like these, who the hell needs Sarah Brady?!

For the record, let me tell you exactly who I am and where I'm coming from. I am an American Soldier, proudly serving my country. I am an immigrant, passionately devoted to the ideals of our Founding Fathers, and thankful each and every day that I am an American (by choice, if not by birth).

With that said, I am a Soldier...stationed in Germany. As such, and thanks to some pencil-necked weenies in the State Department, I have no right to keep or bear arms while living here. To own a pistol, I must: (1) join a "Pistol Club", where I am privileged to rent whatever POS gun they care to lend me; (2) document attendance at said club, at least once a month, for at least one year; (3) apply for a class on gun knowledge, approved by the Federal Republic of Germany; (4) pass a test on the contents of said class; (5) obtain a letter from my commanding officer, attesting to my "fitness" to possess a pistol; (6) apply for a Waffenbesitzkarte through the Federal Police, to which I attach my commander's letter; (7) undergo a criminal background check through the German Federal Police Bureau and the FBI; (8) present a valid Waffenbesitzkarte to purchase a pistol; (9) register my pistol through the US Army and the German Federal Police; (10) purchase a gun safe, wherein I must store said pistol according to German standards (lock on safe; lock on gun); (11) be prepared, at any time, to present positive proof to the German police that I am abiding by German law regarding the "safe" storage of my pistol -- i.e., 4th Amendment rights out the window.

If you think this is bad, native Germans have to go through a hell of a lot more. For one, they have to undergo extensive physical and psychological examinations as part of their application. Oh, and making disparaging remarks about the German form of government, or disparaging government officials (verbally or in writing), automatically disqualifies a German from obtaining a firearm.

In short, gentlemen, I wrote this thread because I know exactly where the gun control movement will take our beloved country if we fail to mobilize in defense of our rights.

Now, does that sound like a troll to you folks?
 
And don't tell me that joining is too expensive for you! The money you're using to stock up on 5.56 mm ammo will be better spent gaining membership to these organizations. Buying crates of ammo for your tricked-out AR ain't gonna be worth squat when the damn thing is banned under Brady II.
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Hey when they ban firearms its not going to matter what group you are a part of what will matter is how many guns and how much ammo you have. But having an NRA membership or GOA is nice.
 
Foreigndude,
Let me try to explain it from my perspective. We've had quite a few posters here lately with a 1-10 post count and a very recent join date and they have all been flocking straight to Legal and Political. Now once you join you're free to post whereever and however as long as you follow the rules, but it makes alot of members wary when someones first post is in L&P and is somewhat "enraged". It makes you seem like you are trying to cause turmoil or fishing for bad quotes to use against pro-gunners.

If I'm wrong about you, I apologize. I'll stand behind what I said until I'm proven wrong though. Sorry if it offends you. I just question why someone's very first post would be in a politics section on a gun forum.
 
Marlboroman84:

Look, I understand where you are coming from.

I've posted essentially the same thread here, at THR, and Packing.org -- and, yes, I am following my own advice: I'm currently a member of NRA, but I will be joining GOA as well as SAF. I will be returning to the States next year, and I will also buy up what I can while the getting is good.

A good chunk of what has prompted my actions stems from an avalanche of circumstances and reports that have followed this election.

(1) The senior leadership of the Democratic party, now the majority in both houses (Allen just conceded), is vehemently anti-gun;
(2) the recently-elected, pro-gun Dems are freshmen now -- they have little influence and can be easily sidelined by the anti-gun Democratic leadership;
(3) Conyers, among others, has already begun talking about introducing gun control measures in the new Congress (I included the quote from the NY Times in the original thread starter);
(4) John Bolton is the best friend gun owners have had at the UN, and the Democrats have said his confirmation is as good as dead;
(5) Thanks in large part to Rebecca Peters and IANSA, the UN General Assembly has passed resolutions to prepare the next UN summit on the global regulation of "illicit" firearms -- with the wrong ambassador at the UN, we will have an uphill struggle to fend off restrictions on the 2A.

I have no desire to play troll on any of these boards. I have simply put forward the skeleton of a political plan of action that each individual here can take to protect his/her gun rights.
 
"We've had quite a few posters here lately with a 1-10 post count and a very recent join date and they have all been flocking straight to Legal and Political."

While that's true, I think clearly FD's post here was directly on-topic and timely. What can possibly be wrong for anyone, even (gasp!) a TFL-newbie, to try to get people to join pro-gun organizations? Personally, I applaud his effort (for the record I'm an NRA life member) and, by the way, appreciate his military service.

Edit: While I'm here, let me take the opportunity to urge California shooters to join the California Rifle and Pistol Association.

http://www.crpa.org/

It doesn't cost very much, and they do a lot of good. Keep in mind who our new Attorney General is. Oh, and we're still not completely rid of Bill Lockyear either, although I guess he will do less damage as treasurer.


Tim
 
I withdraw my comment then and apologize. One soldier (former) to another I hope you accept.

I guess I'm just grumpy and leary lol. In 24 hours Legal and Political has turned into a madhouse. I agree it worries me the thought of a majority democratic congress, but as alot of people have pointed out most of the Dems that won are not hard left democrats. Honestly what I think would be nice is if everybody just left the majority gun laws the way they are right now and concentrated on much larger,important issues. I cannot for the life of me understand why The Brady Bunch and some of the hard left liberals make it their sole mission to make it as hard as possible for law abiding citizens to wanna protect themselves.

Not to change tune to much, but I think the biggest thing this country has going for it, in the way of not having an "invasion" in the normal sense of the word, is that the common citizens have firearms and the means to properly defend themselves. The anti-gunners don't have good reasons for doing what they wanna do. They just have a personal agenda and wanna whine about something.
 
ForeignDude:

I at first thought you were a troll as well.

You defended your position very eloquently, however. Welcome aboard. Thank you for your service in Germany and anywhere else you have been stationed.

I will re-join the NRA this week, and become a first-time member of GOA and SAF before the year is out.

You're not alone in seeing the trend coming from the cesspool known as New York. Between Clinton1, Clinton2 (G*d forbid), Schumer, Conyers, Bloomberg and the UN, we got some problems to face down.

I also think that the purchase of the "fun guns" should begin now... I got my M1A last year, and I've been considering a semi-auto Barrett 50BMG, with a suppressor, for quite a while. If I start saving now, I can get one this next summer.

There could be Blue Helmets at the polls in as little as 4 years if everything goes horribly, perfectly wrong. Tin-foil hat wrong, but we are being attacked from Mexico (illegal immigration and that highway in Texas), Canada (CanAmerXico), the Middle East and the UN all at once. All it would take is one session of a Democratic Congress and Presidency to throw the country away.
 
The anti-gunners don't have good reasons for doing what they wanna do. They just have a personal agenda and wanna whine about something.
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AND they make big bucks from the people that do believe in gun control. Their worst nightmare is to actually succeed at disarming us. It's like the med industry finding a cure for cancer, it would kill their cash cow.

badbob
 
As embarassing as it is, I had let my NRA membership lapse years ago. I had the best of intentions of renewing, but didn't follow through...until now. I just signed up for an Easy Pay Life Membership. I also joined the Texas State Rifle Association a while back. Thanks for the solid reminder, Dems! :)
 
While I didn't let my membership expire I did reduce it to the cheapest one. That will change now that the demoncrats have taken control again. Rest assured that they will not stop until guns are banned. In the mean time I will stock up on hi-caps the first likely target again. I will buy 2 per week from now until the Republicans regain power or they are banned.
 
i dont joint eh NRA beacuse of teh famous quote the presidnet of it once siad.
"i dont know of any reason someone would need an AK-47"
I guess you dont need my money then. Just my feelings. When they fight for the rights of ALL gun owners i'll be happy to give them my membership dollar.

SW
 
I am in the NRA partially because it's behind the fight to keep AR-style as well as AK-style off list lowers available to California gunowners. WHat one president of the NRA said in the past means much less to me than what they are doing NOW. THey are damned active in California and I am proud to be a member of an organization that knows how to fight the Brady Bunch. It's ugly out here and NRA is a god-send here.

Of course you are free to find excuses for not joining the NRA. but next time you buy an AR-15 or an AK47 with a 30 round magazine in South Dakota, thank the NRA for helping the AWB sunset.

"i dont know of any reason someone would need an AK-47"
--you sure it wasn't said during the cold war when the country viewed ANYTHING from Mother Russia with suspicion? I found it hilarious that many so-called super patriots can't wait to throw money down for surplus Russian guns when there are perfectly fine 308-uppers for ARs.
 
Not to flame the NRA but they havent done jack for me. I applaud them for the work they do in Kali but i dont spend moneyt when it has no benifit for me. When they get the 922r prohibitions repealed ill start sending them dough.

As for the AK comment i belive it was made by charlton heston in 2000 or 2001. I have yet to see any spokesman for the NRA dissavow his statement.

"but next time you buy an AR-15 or an AK47 with a 30 round magazine in South Dakota, thank the NRA for helping the AWB sunset."

I bought two hi-cap AKs during the ban with no problems. they just didnt have the bayo lug and thumbhole stocks.

Personally i wont have anything to do with a gas impingement AR. I saw a guy get seriously injured (almost killed) by a M16 when i was in the army by improper assembly. I am also attatcted by the fact i can abuse an AK like no other gun and it will keep working. No i dont intentionally abuse my guns but try getting a AR covered in mud, grass and snow like i get me AK and see if it keeps working. I dont care where it was made as long as it works.

SW
 
Troll?? What's a Troll?

Not sure what is meant by Troll but I have just renewed my 5year NRA membership, GOA membership, SAF membership, and TFA membership anyway. Next step? Bob Pope Gun Show in December!!! Thinking ammo and magazines (and maybe optics, my eyes arent what they used to be)
 
AFAIK the 30 rounders would be illegal during the ban, since it deemed anything over 10 rounds as being "high cap", just because it was available in your area does not mean it was legal to transfer or sell.

Like I said, you are welcome to come up with reasons to not join the NRA, no one is forcing you to. In fact the irony is that a lot of people who think like you in California are condemning the NRA for not doing enough.

Their reasoning? "well my dollar would be used for easy battles in states like the Dakotas and the Heartland, so I don't wanna join". SOunds familiar?

THe NRA model is clear, I AM the NRA. If you don't join it and help the fight, you have no business wining about what it doesn't do for you. I encourage you to go to your local NRA members' council meeting and talk to them to see for yourself before youd dismiss it so casually.

If you think what the NRA does has nothing to do with you, you may take a noteo f this: The emergency bill that NRA pushed and now signed into law will ensure that in the event of natural disaster(Storm, Tornado, Droughts etc), your local LEOs can't come to you and take your guns like they did in New Orleans.

Look, the bottom line is that the NRA needs you, because if you are not in it and voice your opinion, how does it know that you want to work toward? NRA ain't Ms Cleo you know. Distancing yourself from it will give you an objective picture of what the NRA does for everyone of us.
 
"AFAIK the 30 rounders would be illegal during the ban, since it deemed anything over 10 rounds as being "high cap", just because it was available in your area does not mean it was legal to transfer or sell. "

Both guns were bought from a FFl dealer, with 30 round mags. The ban was on the manufacture of new mags not sales of existing ones. I see the point you're trying to make though.

Nothing personal but i consider Kali a lost cause in the world of gun rights. I think the money spent there would be better spent working toward a national CCW reciprocity or repeal of 922r, 86' GCA, and 34' NFA statutes.

SW
 
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