Oregon Antis One-Up the Rest _ Merged Threads

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Ralgha

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Just a couple days after they said they were dropping the magazine capacity limit and AWB bills, they introduce a new bill in the house that goes way beyond anything we've seen yet.

You get ONE "assault gun" that you have to register, three magazines for it, and the police will search your home annually without a warrant. The definition of "assault gun" goes way beyond previous bans.

I was registered Democrat, I'll be changing to Independent as a result of this. Let fly the emails and light up the phones.

http://www.oregonfirearms.org/massive-gun-ban-introduced
 
I would say that this thing isn't going to pass. Personally, the more bat-crap crazy a bill is, the more I love it! Reason is that first it brings a lot more memebers into the NRA and other pro-gun groups and second, the crazier the bill is, the less likely it's going to go anywhere.
 
Personally, the more bat-crap crazy a bill is, the more I love it!
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I used to agree with that. It was why I was relieved to see Feinstein's bill go to such extremes. Sometimes, a measure can be its own poison pill.

Then the SAFE Act happened in New York. Conventional wisdom would have doomed it to failure, but it passed. It might be a fluke, or it might be the first glimmers of a new precedent.

Either way, it's best not to let our guard down in either case.
 
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USMCGrunt said:
And "learning" has occured!!!:D
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It's been a long time coming, this was the proverbial straw. I haven't considered myself a Democrat for a long time, I think both parties are corrupt to the core, indeed I think both parties are actually the same group playing roles.

This bill makes NY's look like good. I don't think it will pass, but that doesn't lessen my anger over it. We can't let the smallest part of it pass.
 
warrantless searches of people's homes?

My gosh, even the aclu would not stand by for this would they? If they do, there will be no further proof they are hypocrites.

Surely county sheriff's (I don't know how things are organized in Oregon) would not go along with this would they?

This really is quite revolutionary.
 
Does the Oregon legislature have a drug test policy? Looks like there
are seven senators and eight house reps that should pee in the cup--
they are obviously high on something.
 
It's been a long time coming, this was the proverbial straw. I haven't considered myself a Democrat for a long time, I think both parties are corrupt to the core, indeed I think both parties are actually the same group playing roles.
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I'm glad more people are starting to realize this.
 
I believe someone was saying that in California those with registered assault weapons have home inspection provisions in the law. I don't think they care if these laws are constitutional. We had slavery in this country for the first 85 odd years of it's existence and women and minorities have only been guranteed the vote in more recent times.... If there is political will to ban guns they will do so just like prohibition in the 20s. It was nearly a decate before they realized they had created a bigger problem than outlawing booz was supposed to eliminate. Same will be true for these crazy gun bans....
 
I just used the automailer, and put an introductory letter in front of the standard one:

To the Oregon Legislature:

I am not an Oregon resident, though I was born in Oregon a few decades back. Still, as an American citizen, and a gun owner, I pay attention to what the governments of other states do with regard to infringements of the Second Amendment.

HB 3200 is particularly egregious. I am amazed at how many amendments it would seek to infringe. The Second, Fourth, and Fifth all leap immediately to mind.

Please be aware that many of us, nationwide, will pay close attention to the progress of this bill, and if it passes, we will contribute funds to any campaigns opposing the people who voted for HB 3200. This bill would set a precedent that we will not allow.

Frankly, I think even the normally anti-gun ACLU will be suing Oregon if this bill passes...

Regards,

Morgan Leake

Standard Letter from OrgeonFirearms.org follows:
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There's a town hall meeting today with some of the bill's sponsors. Maybe we'll learn about the type of insanity that causes people to propose bills like this.
 
Ralgha said:
I think both parties are corrupt to the core, indeed I think both parties are actually the same group playing roles.
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Dr Big Bird PhD said:
I'm glad more people are starting to realize this.
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Yep. After primaries, it's in a candidate's interest to be as close to the center to the extent possible without repudiating everything he or she said in the primaries.

It's not polemic. It's math. You maximize your votes when you're as close to your opponent as possible while still maintaining a few actual or rhetorical positions that make you more palatable (less unpalatable) to your party's base.

These silly Oregon democrats. They want gun owners to give up 4th amendment rights? If that miraculously passed, it would open a can of worms. Republicans could say fine, have legal marijuana if you want, but blogs by marijuana users will be censored.
 
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Then the SAFE Act happened in New York. Conventional wisdom would have doomed it to failure, but it passed. It might be a fluke, or it might be the first glimmers of a new precedent.
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Tom I think its the new normal. When bills get openly passed without being read or considered and no ones alarmed then we are already off the cliff. In my idealized world anyone who voted for any bill without reading it should be impeached and permanently barred from political office.

(Sorry Important phone call came in and I slapped the ending together.)
 
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Well, this was nice.... I am not an Oregon resident, and yet I still received both a very positive and a very pro-RKBA response from an Oregon senator already.

Oregon members, take note:

Dear Morgan,



Thank you for your email. I agree, and I will be opposing any additional firearms restrictions, including SB-346, SB-347 and HB-3200.



I am also well aware of the attempt to pass SB-1594 (ban on CHL in schools) in the 2012 session. I believe a review of the record will show that Senator Verger and I were the two senate democrats who successfully voted to defeat the bill on the floor.



Best regards,



Betsy

Member, Democratic Gun Owners Caucus

NFA License Holder

(503) 543-4046
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In my idealized world anyone who voted for any bill without reading it should be impeached and permanently barred from political office.
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I do like that idea. Upon voting for any bill, a representative should have to sign (under penalty of perjury) that they have read and understood every provision. That would stop passage of quite a bit of legislation, and it would ensure that proposed laws are more succinct.

I ran it past my legislators, and it received a somewhat lukewarm response. Imagine that.
 
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