I am a previous and future gun buyer, and pretty well educated, and not just in handguns. The reason for the poor sales of the thunder five was because of it's construction and lack of decent ammunition at that point in time, and nothing more. It's construction was less than desireable and problems from poor cylider locking mechanics to timming issues were some of a list of problems it had not to mention no real choice for ammo in the .410 rnd like is offered today. The new SD rnds in the .410 ARE effective and if you don't believe so, I hope you never end up on the wrong end of one. These imrovements in ammunition and the newer guns that fire them along with the EDUCATED gun buyers of today taking the initiative to shoot said guns and form opinions and make decisions for themselves instead of some crap they read on a blog by someone who most likely has not even fired one, is the reason for their huge success. And even out of the ones that actually have shot them that write or post negative comments, it's just amazing how so few of those consider their opinions to be fact agaist the far greater owner/ shooters that find them to mostly be " what they are cracked up to be". Carefull, refering to the potential gun buyers of today as less educated than those of the latter times may offend some people.