Opinions on resolving deer-chasing dogs...

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Dogs running deer on ground I have secured permision to hunt on .... and that no-one else has? Report? The only reports will come from the rifle.
 
Im in Georgia. I agree that is a good strategy but i will be honest in saying between the job and family obligations, i dont have time to trap these dogs. I am giddy each chance i can take to just hunt. All said, i may contact the sherrif. I atleast want to know what the law is with this because i havent looked into that before.
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Another option would be to replace your fencing with fencing that will keep out dogs, but still allow deer to cross.

So, just to be clear..your belief is that a roaming personal pet, trumps my(and your) wildlife on private ground..
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The wildlife on your property does not belong to you, or at least that appears to be the case in most states. The wildlife is owned by the state and/or country. This is definitely the case in SEHunter's state of Georgia.
http://law.justia.com/georgia/codes/2006/27/27-1-3.html

27-1-3. (b) The ownership of, jurisdiction over, and control of all wildlife, as defined in this title, are declared to be in the State of Georgia, in its sovereign capacity, to be controlled, regulated, and disposed of in accordance with this title.
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Jimbo86 from Nebraska said...
Dogs running deer on ground I have secured permision to hunt on .... and that no-one else has? Report? The only reports will come from the rifle.
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Then you would be breaking the law in your state.
§ 54-604. Dogs; killing; when permitted.

Any person shall have the right to kill any dog found doing any damage as mentioned in sections 54-601 and 54-602 to any sheep or domestic animal, or if he shall have just and reasonable ground to believe that such dog has been killing, wounding, chasing or worrying such sheep or animal; and no action shall be maintained for such killing.

Source: Laws 1877, § 4, p. 156; R.S.1913, § 175; C.S.1922, § 172; C.S.1929, § 54-604.
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Note that it isn't legal to kill a dog in NE for bothering or damaging wildlife.

Abelacres from Florida said
If someone was KNOWINGLY turning their dogs loose or tresspassing on personal property after being denied permission however,
Quote:
"Commence firing, fire at will!"
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Shooting the dogs for those reasons would not be legal in your state either. See 767.03 Good defense for killing dog.
 
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I will shoot your dog without hesitation, and maybe even you.
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You realize you are now married to that publicly made statement for the rest of your life, don't you? IF (God forbid) you ever get into an armed altercation, that statement is going to come up in court by the opposing attorney as:

"I...shoot...without hesitation...even you."

I'm not sure you want that as a defining thought in the public record, especially for something as inconsequential as your possible reaction to a hypothetical question.

This is the internet, people. What goes on in the World Wide Web stays on the World Wide Web.

As for dogs, they belong on ground with permission or public ground in a legal hunt. Anything else puts them at risk of never coming back.
 
So, just to be clear..your belief is that a roaming personal pet, trumps my(and your) wildlife on private ground..
This makes me assume that your ability to be inattentive to your animal is more important than my right and ability to hunt and maintain my private ground
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No, I can kill a deer any day of the week and most likely any hour of that day on a bet. And, chances are I can do it most days of the week on my own land. So, killing a deer to me is about as exciting as taking a dump. No way that I would kill somebody's dog over one of the pests.

If it is hard and challenging where you are that's different, and like I said I can see why he would be annoyed.

Sorry, just the way I feel about it.
 
I personally have not had the problems with hound hunters on my property but have had some in other states say that they will run their dogs where ever they want and when ever they want and there is nothing a land owner can do about it. I have no doubt that there are some responsible hound hunters but none the less I have seen some display some pretty disrespectful attitudes. These people are slobs and I would deal with them as I would any common criminal. If I see that you are actively trying to retrieve your dog then by all means I would help you so long as you had the right attitude and were not being disrespectful, but if some one is just letting their dogs run without regard then I have no sympathy for them or the dog. I have seen what hounds will do to a bear, and if they can tear a bear apart they can certainly tear apart my child or wife or my self. I wont take the chance, no animal is worth any human, especially one I love.
 
Artsmom I knew exactly what I said and I stand by it. In our state we have the right to defend our selves and our property. If someone comes on my property and threatens the safety of my family or my self, I will chose my family over the trespasser. At that point the trespasser is nothing more than a common criminal.
 
As we continue to read the same declaration

. Wildlife is held in trust by the state for the benefit of its citizens
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And it continues:

The ownership of, jurisdiction over, and control of all wildlife, as defined in this title, are declared to be in the State of Georgia, in its sovereign capacity
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The definitions of sovereignty per Wiki:

Democracy is based on the concept of popular sovereignty. Representative democracies permit a transfer of the exercise of sovereignty from the people to the parliament or the government.

The republican form of government acknowledges that the sovereign power is founded in the people, individually,
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Unfortunately, using the wording of the same text, and definition of the sovereignty question, it is not hard to see that the wildlife(at minimum) is maintained for all(meaning the citizenry.).
That and the unimpeachable rights of a free man to have dominion on his own land,,I have to reject the arguement that I have no right to kill a marauding canine. To suggest that I have to subject anything that is mine, to abuse by something that is yours, is ludicrous.
elkman
 
Any more off-topic posts or Keyboard Kommando chest beating and this thread is toast.

Go back and read the OP.

DNS, you must not have priced net-wire fencing, lately. Go visit Tractor Supply, check prices, and report back. :D:D:D
 
In the State of Ohio. Hunting deer with dogs is unlawful. Tracking wounded deer with LEASHED dog is legal.
If the question was asked to an ODNR officer, "what should I do if I'm hunting and see a dog/dogs running deer", the answer would most likely be 'shoot it'.

Years ago, an area we were hunting known as Wildcat Hollow was having trouble with dogs chasing deer. The DNR officers made it very well known to shoot any dog seen chasing deer.
 
Sorry guys, but it boils down to this. If you cant keep your animal under control, you shouldnt have it. Dogs can be a wonderful aid in hunting, but it must be in sight and under control at all times!!!!! If you have one, its YOUR responsibility.
 
Our big game regs say Fish and Game officers are allowed to shoot animals on public land harassing game animals. And since our economy is largely agricultural based the laws do not favor dog owners. There was a story about 2 years ago about a family that had moved into a agriculture zoned area as most of our counties are, their dog was shot and killed by a local dairy farmer or cattle rancher cant remember which but he owned cows. The dog owners were very up set but the county prosecutors response was very plain. The guy had the right to shoot the dog for no other reason than it was on his property, but made the point that live stock owners have always been allowed to shoot animals that stalk, harass, or attack their live stock.


I think the OP would be right to shoot and dispose of the dogs running loose, not only are they prone to chase wild life but people as well. There was an elderly couple that was attacked and killed by Feral dogs. So I think it is important to keep the feral dog population at a minimum.
 
i hunt with Pointers and allow the dogs to range ahead as far as they like on some grounds. usually 300 to 400 yards. my dogs have hundreds of hours of training. depending on the terrian, sometimes they are out of sight. if i know the dog is running deer i do everything in my power to dissuade the instinct to chase. i have never had a pointer i completely trusted to not chase deer. i would not appreciate one of my dogs being killed because he interupted someones hunt. though i know i would be powerless to obtain a legal remedy from someone killing one of my dogs.
coon dogs would be another example of highly trained dogs that work with independence and sometimes make poor decisions.
 
i hunt with Pointers and allow the dogs to range ahead as far as they like on some grounds. usually 300 to 400 yards. my dogs have hundreds of hours of training. depending on the terrian, sometimes they are out of sight. if i know the dog is running deer i do everything in my power to dissuade the instinct to chase. i have never had a pointer i completely trusted to not chase deer. i would not appreciate one of my dogs being killed because he interupted someones hunt. though i know i would be powerless to obtain a legal remedy from someone killing one of my dogs.
coon dogs would be another example of highly trained dogs that work with independence and sometimes make poor decisions.
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That well explains the problem. There is no doubt that you can legally kill a stray dog on your own property if he is causing problems. And, a dog that is killing or potentially injuring a farm animal needs to be killed.

But, I think a hunter should shoot a dog as a last resort.
 
I was on a lease one time where the land owners told us they had this problem. They also told us to shoot any dawg we seen. I was hunt'n one afternoon and I had a lil cull buck chase'n a doe. The does tongue was hang'n out he was chase'n her so hard. She got to the burm in front of me and turned left and ran another 50 yards, I whistled, she and he stopped. I shot her in the head and she fell. He just stood there looking at her and I figured I would take my cull, BAM, in the ear. I hung my rifle back up and was just gunna sit there and see if my trophy came out. It wut'n 5 mins later and I hear sum'n crash'n through the woods right where they came out!!! WOOO HOO, I think to self, gently grabbed the ole trusty triple deuce and waited. DAWGS! two of em and they follered the deers trail right to where they lay. Look, no collar! BAM in the ear, the other started running away through the tall grass so I picked a hole and put the cross hairs in it with the right eye and watched the dawg running with the left, BAM! as he went through the cross hairs.

Well I'd like ta tell ya's he fell too but I can't. lol I was SO ******, I got down and went over ta my pile of animals. No collar on the dawg. Land owners were happy and I can't stand it.

Although, there are good people that really enjoy running dawgs. I had one in Alabama and it had a collar, I wanted to but I couldn't bring myself ta do it. As someone up top posted, the dawg can't read and don't know what purple paint means... If they have a collar and you're in an area that dawg hunt'n is legal it's prolly not ethical...

BUT I feel your pain, it's AGGRIVATE'N!!!!
 
Had the same problem on my land a few years ago and I killed them all. Rabbit and Quail population came back within a year, too.
 
DNS, you must not have priced net-wire fencing, lately. Go visit Tractor Supply, check prices, and report back.
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Actually, I am looking at replacing some lengths of barbed wire and mesquite posts with cattle panels and t posts and my wife won't let me sell any of the kids to fund the project. I have checked. Not only that, but I checked a couple of the regional suppliers for larger orders as well.

Can't shoot the dogs. Can't poison the dogs. Can't trap the dogs. Anything you do to be scary to the dogs will be scary to the deer. So where does that leave you? I suggested new fencing as a legal option, but made no claims to expense. :o

You never know. Maybe he has a few thousand cattle panels laying around?
 
Wisconsin rules.

Dogs
• It is illegal to hunt deer with dogs.
• Dogs are considered private property and are protected by law. Only Conservation
Wardens may kill dogs chasing deer. Owners may be held responsible for damage
caused by their dogs.
• A dog that is actively engaged in a legal hunting activity, including training, is not
considered to be running at large if the dog is monitored or supervised by a person
and the dog is on land that is open to hunting or on land on which the person has
obtained permission to hunt or to train a dog.
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Look up game department rules in your state and save yourself a lot of angst.
 
Dogs chasing deer.... it happens. I don't know if you can deter them from chasing or trailing deer unless you own the dog and spend a great deal of time trying to break them of this "habit".

My approach is fairly simple... if I am familiar with the dog and know it is someone's pet, I don't shoot them ever. I may shoot a shot in their vicinity to scare them but I don't think it is a long term deterrent.

I look for collars. No collar and I look closer at the dog. If it appears to be a stray, I may shoot it on my own land. Otherwise, I might fire a warning shot.

If it happens frequently, I would talk to the owner (leash laws, you know?) and mention the problem. If that goes nowhere, I may shoot, but do it right and humanely. I don't want some wounded dog wandering back to his home after the decision to shoot is made.

My family has at times taken care of our problem dogs chasing deer.

If it were my dog and you shot it, I would be pretty upset. I might push matters further in that case.
 
In florida, on public or PRIVATE land, it is NOT legal to shoot a deer dog or any other hunting dog unless it is preying on YOUR own LIVESTOCK or persons...

To do so can result in a felony charge and the financial ramifications can get deep. Not only the possible fines but the VALUE the dog owner places on the dog... That could be $10k for the adult and $10k for each and every offspring possible... So estimate that as 10-14 pups for 2 litters per year for 10 years...

Racks up quick...
If you claim predation of livestock or humans, yer gonna need teeth marks or a real believable story with several witnesses and that will need to include a couple witnesses not related to you as the dog owner will call 20 or more witnesses that his dog is "trash" and livestock broke and has never exibited so much as a growl towards numerous deer doggers some of which will have loaded the dog in their dog box to return to owner and they never met the dog previously...

Brent
 
Family pet or not, collar or not, when a dog runs loose it often/usually reverts to feral behavior. At home ( a semi-rural area) or in the woods hunting, a loose dog is a dead dog as soon as I get it in my sights. Many people living in rural areas believe they have a right to let their dogs run loose. They really have no right to allow their animals bother other people or wildlife.
 
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