Opinion on my choice caliber

The 9mm is a decent defense round that will easily do the job except when going up against the most vigorous mall ninjas and video-game commandos who think anything short of a plasma death ray is inadequate. If your Ruger has proven itself as reliable to you, you have the utmost confidence it in it to always perform, then that was a wise choice for you. Some will criticize your choice of cartridge, some the make of the gun - but in the end - it is what YOU are relying on and if it works for you, don't let the naysayers bother you.

I have several 9mm (not any Rugers), and I wouldn't hesitate to use one at.
 
I started out with the 9mm, and had no issues or worries with it as a SD round. Somehow I ended up switching to .40 for both of my carry weapons but still keep the 9mm's around.
 
Not only is the 9mm a good choice, but for your first handgun is was the best choice. Plenty of power for SD, and easy enough to shot without getting bad habits like flinching with a more powerful round. Also more economical so you can shoot more.
 
I'm another big 9mm advocate. I've read that there isn't much difference in performance between 9mm and .40 with good ammo. I carry a 9mm every day and am very happy with it.

Enjoy shooting it; that's a nice gun you have there.
 
No, shot placement is not EVERYTHING.

Well, if you can't hit it, you sure ain't gonna stop it, now are you? Doesn't matter if it's a .22 LR or a S&W .500 mag. The real question you should ask is. "Do I want to be hit with a .22 LR or not be hit with a S&W .500 mag.?
 
You are using a 9mm handgun, and when you shoot someone, he is going to be wounded very badly. the other guys are going to be using whatever their damaged little brains consider to be proper, and when they shoot someone, that person will be wounded, too.

Killing and disabling is not a given thing. Whoever gets in the best hit will be the one that kills or disables. If you can make disabling shots, unless those people can shoot better than you do with your 9mm, they don't really have any advantage, do they?

The only shot that will disable is a well placed, solid hit by a high performing bullet, and even that needs a dash of luck. Choice of cartridge is almost irrelevant with a heart shot, whether it is 9, .40, .45, it still will have an element of chance. I remember reading about a teenager who attempted suicide. He held a .44 magnum against his chest, blew a hole through his heart, and STILL survived.

Anything 9mm and above has the potential for 1 shot disable/kill. Fate or luck plays an enormous role in whether any particular shot is disabling, no matter what cartridge you choose. Skill, and ammunition choice are more important than caliber, a poor hit with a 12 gauge will still be useless, but a heart shot with a silvertip will almost certainly end a fight.

So, yes, you are asking the wrong people. These are people who watch too many movies or whatever, and don't pay attention to the reality of what a heart/lung shot means in 99% of shootings, no matter what round is being used.

that said, I still say that larger rounds are inherently deadlier. No doubt. If you were in a different situation, say leading a swat team into gang land, or living among 400 pound behemoths, I'd suggest you move up a bit.

But, for the use of home and physical defense on a day to day basis, i suggest you use the 9mm, become skilled, and trust in that.
 
You've got an entire thread of people here who've done nothing but agree that a 9mm is adequate for a self defense round and that your friends giving you advice are most likely nothing more than inexperienced nit-wits that do nothing but repeat the wanna-be-macho bullcrap that wanna-be-macho nit-wits scream back and forth at the top of their lungs while high-fiving each other and head-butting holes in the drywall to show how Bad-*** they are.

These are the same Low-Brows who go to their favorite wing joint and order the "Raging-Volcanic-Inferno-Devil's-Scrotum-Sauce" and sit the whole meal trying desperately to tell everyone at the table how "MILD" it is through flowing tears, sweat, and holding back explosive IBS before going home and tossing their cookies into the porcelain.

But I digress. The 9mm will serve you very well. Congrats on making sure you were getting a quality firearm and good luck in the future. That is how it's done.

For what it's worth, the two best loads that I've had experience with by far in 9mm are:
124gr+P Speer Gold Dot HP's
124gr+P Remington Golden Saber "Bonded" HP's

Happy gunning.
I guess I'm just in a critical mood today,
~LT
 
The 9mm is perfectly adequate for home defense, carrying, and range time!

If you like the SR9 and can use it well, then you did excellent.

Ask your friends to give you some real world ballistic datd and not some macho phrase about 9mm's being inferior.

I often carry my CZ75B 9mm in my maxpedition with speer gold dots. :)
 
A hit with a .22 versus a miss with a .500 mag? Really? That's the type of inane comparisson I was trying to avoid. That does not bolster the idea of placement being everything. It just demonstrates a lack of understanding regarding the subject at hand. If placement was everything then a torso (or whatever) hit with a .22 would have the same effect as the .500. It does not. Nowhere did I, or have I, stated shot placement is anything but critical. I have simply stated it is not EVERYTHING. Caliber is also not EVERYTHING. Velocity is not EVERYTHING, nor is bullet construction, magazine capacity, penetration, or inherent accuracy. When a sweeping statement such as placement is everything is made, it gives people the idea that other factors are not worth consideration. If that were the case we would not have much to talk about around here except bulleye shooting with .22's now would we.

Do you carry a five shot .22 to protect you and your family? Would you advocate that as a first rate choice for home defense, or not.
 
BTW, tell your buddies that even a guy from Joplin recognizes that they went to the special classes when they were in school. Bottom line, once again, if you make a good hit with a good bullet, they'd better be wearing a kevlar crucifix, because only God will make the decisions at that point, be it a .38 police duty revolver or a .44 magnum.

Believing that any particular gun, caliber, round, bullet, whatever, is what decides lethality is what is referred to in my trade as "magical thinking," and commonly known as delusional or stupid.

One of the guys I knew insisted on only military hard ball in a .45. Why? because they looked big and scary. Why a .45? because it has a big scary hole on the end.

I reminded him that they can't see the bullets, and frankly, I've never heard of a gunfight that ended based only on the fact that the big hole in the gun scared the bad guy to either death or surrender. I reminded him that in combat, the other guy will be looking DOWN THE SIGHTS OF HIS OWN GUN, not cowering in fear of the size of his hole. The gun fight is going to be decided by who puts the first disabling hole in the other guy's body. I'm more dangerous with a bow and arrow than he was with a .45, because he was a moron, and frankly, I'm dangerous.
 
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Nowhere did I, or have I, stated shot placement is anything but critical. I have simply stated it is not EVERYTHING.

I repeat, if you don't hit it...caliber doesn't matter.

Bye

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Shot placement may not be EVERYTHING, but it's definitely the most important factor IMO. If a 9mm is easier to manage and place better shots than by all means you should use it. With good HPs it'll do the trick.
 
When we talk about gunfights in a self-defense scenario, we're not talking about combat in Iraq. You are not going to have a gunfight like in an old western movie. The purpose of your concealed carry gun is to get you enough time to get away. The purpose is not for you to be able to kill other humans. As has been pointed out often, you can not engage in a true "gunfight" in a public area. You are not the Police. You do not have governmental immunity. You are going to be held accountable for the destination of every single shot you fire.

The purpose of the gun you carry is to get you the time you need to get yourself out of the reach of the bad guy's weapons. If the bad guy dies in the process, so be it. But if you're standing around looking at his dead butt, you have failed self-defense because the moment you realize you have a life-threatening conflict, you need to be in motion (moving, away from the threat zone). In that regard, a 44 Magnum that you can't possibly control and from which you can't possibly fire a follow up shot might actually not be such a bad idea if it makes the bad guy run away from the threat zone faster than you can. But, don't forget that you will be held accountable for where that one .44 Mag shot lands. So, a .22, even with expert shot placement (how many can really pull THAT off when the bad guy is firing AT YOU and you are moving away from the threat zone???) is not necessarily going to cause the bad guy to stop being a threat and to run away. A .45 probably will. A .40 probably will. A .357 Magnum probably will. A 9 mm is going to cause the bad guy's ears to ring immediately, and will make a large enough impression to have an important affect on the bad guy in most cases. In other words, YES, missing with a bigger caliber probably is better than hitting with a .22.

A 9 mm gives a good enough compromise between all of the factors involved, including ammo prices, your ability to fire any necessary follow up shot, gun handling while running and with an imperfect grip, your willingness and ability to train regularly, etc. If you can fire a string of shots at the bad guy with a 9 mm while you are moving quickly away from him, you probably will get him off your back. It is unlikely that the bad guy can fire his Glock Fortay with the same accuracy while moving to cover that you will be able to accomplish with the 9 mm. And, if by chance Mr. Bad Guy can only afford one of those snappy little .380's, he is unlikely to be able to hit anything important while he is in motion and that thing is wrenching his hand off his wrist with every single shot.

None of this applies if the bad guy actually has a darn good reason to want to kill you, like for example if you double crossed him in a drug deal, etc. In that case, a Revolutionary War cannon is not going to make him back away, so you better hit well AND run very quickly.
 
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I remember reading about a teenager who attempted suicide. He held a .44 magnum against his chest, blew a hole through his heart, and STILL survived.


I would'nt belive everything i read

This occurred before the internet, when there was journalistic integrity, it was in print, and sourced multiple places. I wouldn't be quoting nonsense.

So, just to be certain, are you implying that there isn't even the slightest possibility that a person can take a 44 magnum hit through the heart, and survive after extensive surgical interventions? Come on, you know better than that. People survive horrendous wounds and injuries every day, and keep on fighting even. Why did the FBI abandon the 9mm? because of this very event. They decided to raise the odds a little by pushing the disabling power of their carry weapons to greater levels. Does it mean the 9 doesn't work? No, it means that they wanted to minimize risks.
 
So far I have been told that 9mm sucks and how it was a bad choice and it would be nice to get an honest opinion because I am tired of people who DON'T EVEN OWN a gun telling me what they think is best. Is 9mm really that bad?

* Don't get caught up in the caliber wars, often it is people jusifying what they like .... for their reasons... and has little to do with anything else.

* You made a great choice in gun and good choice in ammo.

* Don't listen to armchair cynics who don't have a clue, but love to listen to themselves spout out junk and often show what little intelligence they really have.

* Charge on and enjoy life. You acted wisely.
 
When I was looking for my first gun about 2 years ago, I was down to either a 9mm or a 40 s&w. I ended up getting a .40 s&w, not because it was a far superior round to the 9mm....but because the store only had an M&P 40 and it was a much better deal than the store that had the M&P 9.

You did fine for a reliable, well-priced self defense pistol. Anyone who says otherwise is probably just trying to get a rise out of you, or is uninformed about guns in general.

Good Luck and welcome to TFL!
 
When I was looking for my first gun about 2 years ago, I was down to either a 9mm or a 40 s&w. I ended up getting a .40 s&w, not because it was a far superior round to the 9mm....but because the store only had an M&P 40 and it was a much better deal than the store that had the M&P 9.

I grew up mostly shooting revolvers. My dad was a former AIT instructor, and the only autos he owned were an Ithaca 1911A1 and a Colt Gold Cup National Match.

The first pistol I ever bought was a FEG PA-63, because it was cheap ($89). I wanted a BHP, but I couldn't really afford one. If I had the money, I would have had to decide between a 9mm and a .40. One day, Whittakers got a used FEG P9 Hi-Power clone in stock, so I bought it for something like $150. FEG didn't even make a .40 at that time. The bottom line here is that I didn't really consciously choose a 9mm.

If everyone on the internet were perfectly candid, I suspect that stories like mine and pacerdude's would be more common... ;)
 
The 'Jello shooters' think the Service calibers are all pretty equal, provided you pick a good load.

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The following loads all demonstrate outstanding terminal performance and can be considered acceptable for duty/self-defense use:

9 mm:
Barnes XPB 105 & 115 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester Partition Gold 124 gr JHP (RA91P)
Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA)
Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5)
Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2)
Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester 147 gr bonded JHP (RA9B/Q4364)

.40 S&W:
Barnes XPB 140 & 155 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Speer Gold Dot 155 gr JHP
Federal Tactical 165 gr JHP (LE40T3)
Winchester Ranger-T 165 gr JHP (RA40TA)
Winchester Partition Gold 165 gr JHP (RA401P)
Federal HST 180 gr JHP (P40HST1)
Federal Tactical 180 gr JHP (LE40T1)
Remington Golden Saber 180 gr JHP (GS40SWB)
Speer Gold Dot 180 gr JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 180 gr JHP (RA40T)
Winchester 180 gr bonded JHP (Q4355 or S40SWPDB1)

.45 ACP:
Barnes XPB 160 & 185 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Federal HST 230 gr JHP (P45HST2)
Federal HST 230 gr +P JHP (P45HST1)
Federal Tactical 230 gr JHP (LE45T1)
Speer Gold Dot 230 gr JHP
Speer Gold Dot 230 gr +P JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 230 gr JHP (RA45T)
Winchester Ranger-T 230 gr +P JHP (RA45TP)

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