In wartime, maiming an enemy to die a slow, painful death later is a perfectly acceptable choice. That is NEVER acceptable in hunting.
I know that some folks hunt with handguns which produce similar energy numbers to the 30 Carbine...
A .30 carbine energy about equals a .38 spl with a much more miserable selection of suitable hunting bullets. .30 carbines lame performance on humans in the Pacific during WWII is well documented.
A piece of straw can penetrate all the way through a palm tree if propelled by hurricane-force winds.
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Propelling a piece of straw at a palm tree at a distance of 50cm at 320mph (the world record for recorded wind speed at ground level), the straw only managed to penetrate the tree a quarter of an inch. Even firing at the tree while it was bent (to increase the size of the pores in the surface of the tree) at point blank range added no additional distance into the tree. A piece of reed was tested as the sturdiest organic object that might be mistaken for a piece of straw. At both ranges, the reed only managed to go about two inches into the tree. Additionally, Jamie tried a piece of piano wire, and at 50 cm, it flew not only through the tree but through a sheet of plywood on the wall behind it, partially embedding itself into the cement wall
Good answer. Get good quality expanding ammunition, limit the range and be willing to pass up the shot if you don't have a good angle.IMO, it should be OK if you treat it as a pistol round.
I also dispute your energy levels at 100 or 200 yards for the same reason,
.30 carbine was never designed to maim enemys and its ballistics overshadow the .357 magnum which is considered GTG on deer in most places.
_______________________________________________________________357
+----------------------------- Program Inputs ---------------------------------+
| |
+---- Bullet Inputs -----+----Atmosphere Inputs ----+-------Sight Inputs ------+
| Caliber: 0.357 inches | Temperature: 59 degrees | Sight Height: .75 inches |
| Weight: 158 grains | Pressure: 29.92 inHg | Zero Range: 100 yards |
| G1 BC: .206 lb/in^2 | Humidity: 0 % | Look Angle: 0 degrees |
| G1 Form Factor: 0.860 | Density: 0.07647 lb/ft^3 | |
| MZL Velocity: 1350 fps| Wind Speed: 1 mph | |
| | Wind Direction: 3 O'clock| |
+------------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+
+----------------------------- Program Output ---------------------------------+
Range Velocity Energy Trajectory TOF Drift
(yards) (fps) (ft-lb) (inches) (sec) (inches)
0 1350 639 -0.75 0.0000 0.00
50 1230 530 2.50 0.1165 -0.10
100 1132 449 -0.00 0.2439 -0.38
150 1057 392 -9.28 0.3812 -0.84
200 1000 350 -26.32 0.5273 -1.46
250 952 318 -52.06 0.6811 -2.21
300 912 292 -87.38 0.8421 -3.09
Carbine
+----------------------------- Program Inputs ---------------------------------+
| |
+---- Bullet Inputs -----+----Atmosphere Inputs ----+-------Sight Inputs ------+
| Caliber: 0.308 inches | Temperature: 59 degrees | Sight Height: .75 inches |
| Weight: 110 grains | Pressure: 29.92 inHg | Zero Range: 100 yards |
| G1 BC: 0.175 lb/in^2 | Humidity: 0 % | Look Angle: 0 degrees |
| G1 Form Factor: 0.947 | Density: 0.07647 lb/ft^3 | |
| MZL Velocity: 2000 fps| Wind Speed: 1 mph | |
| | Wind Direction: 3 O'clock| |
+------------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+
+----------------------------- Program Output ---------------------------------+
Range Velocity Energy Trajectory TOF Drift
(yards) (fps) (ft-lb) (inches) (sec) (inches)
0 2000 977 -0.75 0.0000 0.00
50 1785 779 0.99 0.0794 -0.08
100 1588 616 0.00 0.1685 -0.33
150 1411 486 -4.46 0.2688 -0.77
200 1261 388 -13.29 0.3814 -1.43
250 1140 318 -27.61 0.5068 -2.32
300 1052 270 -48.60 0.6440 -3.42
357 Rifle
+----------------------------- Program Inputs ---------------------------------+
| |
+---- Bullet Inputs -----+----Atmosphere Inputs ----+-------Sight Inputs ------+
| Caliber: 0.357 inches | Temperature: 59 degrees | Sight Height: 1. inches |
| Weight: 158 grains | Pressure: 29.92 inHg | Zero Range: 100 yards |
| G1 BC: 0.206 lb/in^2 | Humidity: 0 % | Look Angle: 0 degrees |
| G1 Form Factor: 0.860 | Density: 0.07647 lb/ft^3 | |
| MZL Velocity: 1750 fps| Wind Speed: 10 mph | |
| | Wind Direction: 3 O'clock| |
+------------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+
+----------------------------- Program Output ---------------------------------+
Range Velocity Energy Trajectory TOF Drift
(yards) (fps) (ft-lb) (inches) (sec) (inches)
0 1750 1074 -1.00 0.0000 0.00
50 1584 880 1.24 0.0901 -0.78
100 1433 720 0.00 0.1898 -3.23
150 1300 593 -5.48 0.2998 -7.52
200 1188 495 -16.12 0.4206 -13.71
250 1100 424 -32.91 0.5521 -21.76
300 1033 374 -56.88 0.6930 -31.48
Originally posted by 44 AMP:
The .30 Carbine was designed to be a replacement arm for the 1911A1 pistol, in the hands of service and support troops. Training someone to be able to actually make hits with the pistol at beyond point blank range is often a lengthy and time consuming matter. With a war on, troops that were NOT intended to be combat troops, yet still needing a weapon, were well served with a light carbine that they could make hits with out to 100yds or so when needed.
The Carbine quickly found favor with the combat troops, because it was light, held a lot of rounds (15) and was powerful enough to be useful in combat. Note that useful is not the same as efficient or highly effective.