silvermane_1
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^ well you have to consider that the most likely rifle you are going to find on a battle field today is an AK or AK variant and/or AR15/M16 or AR15/M16 variant , both predate the '60s, at least their design does.
^ well you have to consider that the most likely rifle you are going to find on a battle field today is an AK or AK variant and/or AR15/M16 or AR15/M16 variant , both predate the '60s, at least their design does.
I believe that the swiss also fielded straight pullsthe Austro-Hungarians and the Canadians were the only major armies to field straight pull rifles
so I guess the 1888 mauser rifles and lee metfords(the progenitor of the lee enfield) were a dead end first gen rifle?
And the M1911 is still in production and widely regarded as THE handgun for military or self defense use.
AFAIK only the Italians and the Austro-Hungarians used the Mannlicher clip
As mentioned above the Swiss (K96,1911,& 31) Also the Lee navy was a straight pull-the Austro-Hungarians and the Canadians were the only major armies to field straight pull rifles, the Ross was weighed in the balance and found wanting.
and what service pistol doesn't have to jump through a bunch of hoops and get special waivers to be adopted by military and police? I guess all I S&W rep has to do is hand a catalog to a police chief and they just order 75 M&P40s without a second thought? and the US military switched to the M9 without any field tests, they just decided they wanted something different that shot 9mm nato? beretta must have just been the first ones in line.Not even close! It is a dinosaur that isn't used by any military or police force in the world without jumping through alot of hoops and getting waivers and special permission.
And the M1911 is still in production and widely regarded as THE handgun for military or self defense use.
Disagree. A lot of armed forces use glock or berreta 92. I think only very few parts of the us Millitary use 1911 anymore. As for self defence is rather have a glock or berreta due to they hold 17 and 15 rounds with dependingg on the glock . That and the reliabillity of a glock is amazing
so... I didn't see any response to my post...
are the Berretta Carcano's fairly uncommon ??? mine looks very well made & is likely one of my nicest milsurps...
and what service pistol doesn't have to jump through a bunch of hoops and get special waivers to be adopted by military and police? I guess all I S&W rep has to do is hand a catalog to a police chief and they just order 75 M&P40s without a second thought? and the US military switched to the M9 without any field tests, they just decided they wanted something different that shot 9mm nato? beretta must have just been the first ones in line.
the 1911 served from 1911 to 1985, a 74 year service life which is pretty much extraordinary for any service arm. USMC has roughly 12,000 1911s for MEU use. it is anything but a dinosaur.