Open message to you gun grabbers lurking here
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Nyterunner, I think the JBT's that are refered to on this post are more than likely the Federal type. Yes they earned the name, and it will take a lot of firing people to earn the respect they once enjoyed. As for the Deputies in my area, they are wonderful folks. Never once had a bad experience even when I was in the wrong. There is a difference between the JBT and the LEO. Don't get offended. My own personal thoughts is that kids wouldn't be doing drugs if the parents knew their kids. Most narcotics should be de-regulated, and we should enforce child-neglect laws as vigorously as we presently enforce the Drug laws.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ledbetter:
Which lurkers? Do they post, or just lurk? Shouldn't they have to bite Rich first? It's his board.
Ledbetter[/quote]
RE:bite Rich first: Yep, I believe they should. If you check back, Rich L, invited the first bite over a year ago. I'm just restateing it.
RE: Lurk or post.
Some lurk, some post. Remember the old adage of catching more flies with honey? Think twice, post once, then edit it the way you would like it to appear on the front page of the Times, is all I'm saying.
Which lurkers? Do they post, or just lurk? Shouldn't they have to bite Rich first? It's his board.
Ledbetter[/quote]
RE:bite Rich first: Yep, I believe they should. If you check back, Rich L, invited the first bite over a year ago. I'm just restateing it.
RE: Lurk or post.
Some lurk, some post. Remember the old adage of catching more flies with honey? Think twice, post once, then edit it the way you would like it to appear on the front page of the Times, is all I'm saying.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nyterunner: [/quote]
Just so you know, If I no-knock your door, you are probably a child-killing drug pusher who is getting what he deserves.
Nyterunner, Every heard of Police "no-knocking" the wrong house? It just happened in Philly last month. It has also happened elsewhere, resulting in the death of innocent home owners, massive law suits, and the disbanding of at least one PD's SWAT team.
It seems that a lot of people on this board CANNOT accept that, given our society, use of tactical teams in some situations is necessary.
Sorry, but the 4th Amendment is still the 4th Amendment.
Worse yet, many seem to believe that, by just buying a weapon and reading a WHOLE LOT of gun mags, they magically become some super ninja-squirrel. Real life has never (in my experience) resembled those kewel how-to gun mags. Sorry, personal rant.....
Believe me, I understand that if I where to accidently fire on a SWAT team, that I would more than likely be dead.
By the way, remember that most of those "ninja" LEOs are fanatical gun-owners who believe in the RKBA, and are usually your best friends. Insulting your local LEOs is not the way to a smooth and comfortable relationship......
That's quickly changing. Many new LEOs, especially in the North East, do not believe in RKBA, and would jump at the opportunity to disarm citizens.
Gusgus, I almost forgot.....PLEASE TRY TO REMEMBER TO IDENTIFY YOUR TARGETS.....believe me, telling a jury "I heard gunshots so I got up an' started shootin'" ain't gonna work. It might have been some rapist-crackhead psycho that shot the dog, and the Po-lice was chasin' him. And, we usually scream Po-lice or something as we come through the door.
If someone broke into YOUR home in the middle of the night, firing a weapon, wouldn't YOU assume it was a BG? Just the idea, that in the United States of America, someone would have to determine if the black clothed, masked men, invading their home where Police or BGs, shows how far toward a Totalitarian, Fascist Government, we have slid. Also, I awoke to the sounds of gun fire - I did not here you yell "Po-lice", as you entered. And if I did, how am I to know that you really ARE the Police? Ever heard of the Valentine's Day Massacre?
I hear on the news all the time of people impersonating LEOs. With my computer and inkjet printer I could make up all the "Police" jackets and t-shirts my little heart desires. Face the facts - "No-Knocks" are unconstitutional, kill innocent people, and jeopardize the lives of LEOs. They need to be stopped.
Just so you know, If I no-knock your door, you are probably a child-killing drug pusher who is getting what he deserves.
Nyterunner, Every heard of Police "no-knocking" the wrong house? It just happened in Philly last month. It has also happened elsewhere, resulting in the death of innocent home owners, massive law suits, and the disbanding of at least one PD's SWAT team.
It seems that a lot of people on this board CANNOT accept that, given our society, use of tactical teams in some situations is necessary.
Sorry, but the 4th Amendment is still the 4th Amendment.
Worse yet, many seem to believe that, by just buying a weapon and reading a WHOLE LOT of gun mags, they magically become some super ninja-squirrel. Real life has never (in my experience) resembled those kewel how-to gun mags. Sorry, personal rant.....
Believe me, I understand that if I where to accidently fire on a SWAT team, that I would more than likely be dead.
By the way, remember that most of those "ninja" LEOs are fanatical gun-owners who believe in the RKBA, and are usually your best friends. Insulting your local LEOs is not the way to a smooth and comfortable relationship......
That's quickly changing. Many new LEOs, especially in the North East, do not believe in RKBA, and would jump at the opportunity to disarm citizens.
Gusgus, I almost forgot.....PLEASE TRY TO REMEMBER TO IDENTIFY YOUR TARGETS.....believe me, telling a jury "I heard gunshots so I got up an' started shootin'" ain't gonna work. It might have been some rapist-crackhead psycho that shot the dog, and the Po-lice was chasin' him. And, we usually scream Po-lice or something as we come through the door.
If someone broke into YOUR home in the middle of the night, firing a weapon, wouldn't YOU assume it was a BG? Just the idea, that in the United States of America, someone would have to determine if the black clothed, masked men, invading their home where Police or BGs, shows how far toward a Totalitarian, Fascist Government, we have slid. Also, I awoke to the sounds of gun fire - I did not here you yell "Po-lice", as you entered. And if I did, how am I to know that you really ARE the Police? Ever heard of the Valentine's Day Massacre?
I hear on the news all the time of people impersonating LEOs. With my computer and inkjet printer I could make up all the "Police" jackets and t-shirts my little heart desires. Face the facts - "No-Knocks" are unconstitutional, kill innocent people, and jeopardize the lives of LEOs. They need to be stopped.
Any one ever contemplate the Constitutionality of "crime prevention" activities by "law enforcement" agencies, with respect to tyhe Supreme Court's standing ruling on "prior constraint"?
Get that straight and then go look at the "War on Drugs".
Remember the question of yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre? By the standards of prevention that seem to be used today concerning the Drug War, we all should be issued muzzles and be required to wear them at the movies. No, just wear them at all times, in case we decide to go to the movies. Get up in the morning and just strap it on! There, that's a good girl and boy. It's for your own good, you know. CRAP!
Everything you own, EVERYTHING, can be taken at any time, on the basis of an anonymous tip and the erroneous belief that you are a mover of drugs. Once it happens, there is no going back. You don't get restoration, you might get restitution. You probably will get squat.
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Get that straight and then go look at the "War on Drugs".
Remember the question of yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre? By the standards of prevention that seem to be used today concerning the Drug War, we all should be issued muzzles and be required to wear them at the movies. No, just wear them at all times, in case we decide to go to the movies. Get up in the morning and just strap it on! There, that's a good girl and boy. It's for your own good, you know. CRAP!
Everything you own, EVERYTHING, can be taken at any time, on the basis of an anonymous tip and the erroneous belief that you are a mover of drugs. Once it happens, there is no going back. You don't get restoration, you might get restitution. You probably will get squat.
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Guys.
Easy huh? Not to be prissy 'bout it but start another thread about the no knocks ok?
I just wanted to let any grabbers that stop by to get the message:
BITE ME!
Not kiss my tail, or go away, or anything complex. Just plain and simple:
BITE ME!
I visit their sites and boards, and expect them to come in here. I just want to make it clear:
BITE ME!
I don't care what you want to tell 'em. You can tell 'em to #%=-2 themselves if ya feel the desire to.
BITE ME! works for me.
They are the ones that are trying to take away our right. What we do by owning guns is 100% legal. It is 100% morally right. None of us should have to justify owning a gun! They should have to justify taking them away from us. They can't. My 2 word reply to all their questions is:
BITE ME!
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Easy huh? Not to be prissy 'bout it but start another thread about the no knocks ok?
I just wanted to let any grabbers that stop by to get the message:
BITE ME!
Not kiss my tail, or go away, or anything complex. Just plain and simple:
BITE ME!
I visit their sites and boards, and expect them to come in here. I just want to make it clear:
BITE ME!
I don't care what you want to tell 'em. You can tell 'em to #%=-2 themselves if ya feel the desire to.
BITE ME! works for me.
They are the ones that are trying to take away our right. What we do by owning guns is 100% legal. It is 100% morally right. None of us should have to justify owning a gun! They should have to justify taking them away from us. They can't. My 2 word reply to all their questions is:
BITE ME!
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MrKandiyohi
New member
James brings it right back on focus. Touche!
Don't ever forget what we can lose if we lose the 2nd.
Don't ever forget what we can lose if we lose the 2nd.
Being a duty bad ass is not what lifes all about. A lot of guys on this board are war vets seen a lot more action than a door buster after drug pushers. And not all doors are drug pushers. Mistakes have been made on that score, terrible mistakes. That's why no knocks are unconstitutional. I really don't understand the mind set that is behind the federal killings at the Weavers and Waco. It begins at the Attorney General's office, FBI, BATF,and the top banana WJC. Like one of the fellows on this board said...we don't have disrespect for Leos in general, just the federal ones that have helped perpetrate the evil to our society by using JBT's. Killing women and kids is not justifiable. It is the same type of humanbeing we see on the left in Donny's picture. A wannabe badass might remark: "I don't give a damn who's house it is...as long as I get to kill something."
Please, be morally rational, forget BA, stay on the side of right, be careful of doing the will of others...they may be tyrants.
Either peace be with you...or peace on you!
Please, be morally rational, forget BA, stay on the side of right, be careful of doing the will of others...they may be tyrants.
Either peace be with you...or peace on you!
Donny
Thanks for posting that picture. That rates among the most chilling images I've seen. Folkbabe, that is the picture I was writing about when I gave my feeble rant on pacifism.
If you are still here, burn that picture into your mind.
Oh and just to stay on topic... to you gun GRABBERS ... BITE ME!!!!!!!!
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Rob
From the Committee to Use Proffesional Politicians as Lab Animals
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Thanks for posting that picture. That rates among the most chilling images I've seen. Folkbabe, that is the picture I was writing about when I gave my feeble rant on pacifism.
If you are still here, burn that picture into your mind.
Oh and just to stay on topic... to you gun GRABBERS ... BITE ME!!!!!!!!
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Rob
From the Committee to Use Proffesional Politicians as Lab Animals
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She doesn't have bad dreams because she's made of plastic...
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bad Kiki! No karaoke in the house!
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Nyterunner, if what you say in your first post is true, then explain Miami. Oh, I know that your excuse will be that it was the Feds, and not local LEO's. Sorry, but I do not trust ANY LEO's anymore. I believe that you are honest in what you say, but slowly, as more and more young people are getting into law enforcement, they tend to forget (or never have read) the Constitution, and do not care a rat's ass for RKABA.
The pic I posted was one I'd stumbled upon, and had to make a permanent addition to my political file bookmark.
Thanks to all who took the image for what is is, and was.
A point made in another topic awhile back. No LEO who knew it was wrong, would ever perform, or allow something like this to happen. On the basis it would be morally wrong, not to mention unConstitutional.
It Martial Law were declared, the Constitution would therefore be suspended, as would the BOR, and every State Constitution as well. Don't forget that!!!
AND, also keep in mind that the Armed Forces has been asking enlistees if they would fire upon American citizens if orderd to.
That's not the same thing as requiring a pledge to protect from all enemies, foreign and domestic
On the matter of the INS's handling of the Elian matter. I need to know one thing, it was an illegal maneuver by Federal forces. Illegal in that there was a Court order in place on the disposition of the child, until such time as a hearing would be held to weigh arguemnents from all parties concerned. That hearing, and therefore Justice, was never allowed to occur. A sure and simple indicator of tyranny running loose.
Another point on the Elian matter. It was said that all the "police" involved in the "raid" were not from the area, but from outside the geographical arena of Miami.
While I was in the Air Force, the MP's would conduct raids on illegal activities occuring on our base, and many times, those MP's were from another facility, and they were not told of their mission, or where that exercise was going to take place.
Reasons should be obvious: the local forces were either involved in the illegal activites to some degree, and therefore the raid would never be successful, or they might have felt that their partial involvement might endanger local agents(MP's and familes of) lives.
Or, it might have been done to maintain anonimity in the local facility, thereby retaining trust in the same.
This all sounds very familiar to the INS's handling of the capture of Elian. I suspect the local citizenss might have made local INS agents lives hell, or short.
What's this got to do with gun grabbers lurking in the midst? Everything. A gun grabber coiuld easily pass on deceiving information with the goal of having you, or I under suspicion of an illegal action. Say, possession of some contraband, whatever it might be. Under the "War on Drugs" premis, certain agents can then crash into my home, on a seek and destroy mission. All based upon an informants statement. What happened to PC? Well, that technicality has been brushed aside for the sake of expediency. Oh, and, we also knew he had guns in his possession, therefore, we had to assume the posture of shoot on sight. And yes, we had our vest, helmets, faceshields, MP5's, and there were 10 of us, he might have tried to resist arrest.
Best Regards,
Don
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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms;
History shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
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"Corrupt the young, get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial, and destroy their rugged- ness.
Get control of all means of publicity, and thereby get the peoples' mind off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and plays, and other trivialities.
Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance."
Vladimir Ilich Lenin, former leader of USSR
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Thanks to all who took the image for what is is, and was.
A point made in another topic awhile back. No LEO who knew it was wrong, would ever perform, or allow something like this to happen. On the basis it would be morally wrong, not to mention unConstitutional.
It Martial Law were declared, the Constitution would therefore be suspended, as would the BOR, and every State Constitution as well. Don't forget that!!!
AND, also keep in mind that the Armed Forces has been asking enlistees if they would fire upon American citizens if orderd to.
That's not the same thing as requiring a pledge to protect from all enemies, foreign and domestic
On the matter of the INS's handling of the Elian matter. I need to know one thing, it was an illegal maneuver by Federal forces. Illegal in that there was a Court order in place on the disposition of the child, until such time as a hearing would be held to weigh arguemnents from all parties concerned. That hearing, and therefore Justice, was never allowed to occur. A sure and simple indicator of tyranny running loose.
Another point on the Elian matter. It was said that all the "police" involved in the "raid" were not from the area, but from outside the geographical arena of Miami.
While I was in the Air Force, the MP's would conduct raids on illegal activities occuring on our base, and many times, those MP's were from another facility, and they were not told of their mission, or where that exercise was going to take place.
Reasons should be obvious: the local forces were either involved in the illegal activites to some degree, and therefore the raid would never be successful, or they might have felt that their partial involvement might endanger local agents(MP's and familes of) lives.
Or, it might have been done to maintain anonimity in the local facility, thereby retaining trust in the same.
This all sounds very familiar to the INS's handling of the capture of Elian. I suspect the local citizenss might have made local INS agents lives hell, or short.
What's this got to do with gun grabbers lurking in the midst? Everything. A gun grabber coiuld easily pass on deceiving information with the goal of having you, or I under suspicion of an illegal action. Say, possession of some contraband, whatever it might be. Under the "War on Drugs" premis, certain agents can then crash into my home, on a seek and destroy mission. All based upon an informants statement. What happened to PC? Well, that technicality has been brushed aside for the sake of expediency. Oh, and, we also knew he had guns in his possession, therefore, we had to assume the posture of shoot on sight. And yes, we had our vest, helmets, faceshields, MP5's, and there were 10 of us, he might have tried to resist arrest.
Best Regards,
Don
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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms;
History shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
-----------------
"Corrupt the young, get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial, and destroy their rugged- ness.
Get control of all means of publicity, and thereby get the peoples' mind off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and plays, and other trivialities.
Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance."
Vladimir Ilich Lenin, former leader of USSR
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Chris in AL
New member
The only people most of my cop friends trust less than the bad guys are many of their shield-wearing brethren who love to dress up like SEAL wannabes. The only folks they trust less than THOSE guys are the feds. It's a strange new world.
Chris in AL
New member
The only people most of my cop friends trust less than the bad guys are many of their shield-wearing brethren who love to dress up like SEAL wannabes. The only folks they trust less than THOSE guys are the feds. It's a strange new world.
Oh yeah... to get us back on topic...BITE HIM!
Oh yeah... to get us back on topic...BITE HIM!