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Open carry problem in N. VA
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Dreadnought
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There, happy?
Also, what is this BS about anonymous reporting? What happened to the right to face your accuser? I could call up the police and report I saw my neighbor beat his dog with a belt, and even though he didn't, then there is no recourse? What a bunch of sissies and wimps this country has become. So according to Mr. Macho Marine, in his 57 years, anyone who has a gun has to have credentials? The idiotic remarks at the bottom of the page people have responded with really tick me off, too.
Also, what is this BS about anonymous reporting? What happened to the right to face your accuser? I could call up the police and report I saw my neighbor beat his dog with a belt, and even though he didn't, then there is no recourse? What a bunch of sissies and wimps this country has become. So according to Mr. Macho Marine, in his 57 years, anyone who has a gun has to have credentials? The idiotic remarks at the bottom of the page people have responded with really tick me off, too.
My dad grew up in NYC, he almost flipped out when I first told him I had pistols. They did a good job of inculcating him with permit this, license that, because he kept asking me, "Is it even legal for you to have that without a permit? Are you sure? If the police come here, I'm not defending you. How come you didn't have to wait for it?" Now he's finally coming around, I may even convince him to exercise his Second Amendment right.Mr. James said:Sounds like another Jersey import trying to re-make Virginia in New Jersey's image.
I stand by my original post. It is intimidating and I believe that is the intention. I cannot follow any reasonalble line of thinking otherwise.
I prefer people not exercise their freedom of speech in the theater and I definately prefer not exercise their freedom of speech at the top of their lungs. I am perfectly happy that people exercise their freedom of religion however they wish, provided I am allowed to do likewise and that government stays out of the matter. I am not suggesting that government or the employees thereof not be religious.
However, please note that I have also defended in other posts, though not necessarily recently, that everyone should have the right to own a firearm without qualifications and that also is a minority opinion, evidently.
It should not be a practice here to criticize a person because of the place he chose to be born, where he chooses to live now and certainly not because of their accent. My mother-in-law is from Lynchburg, Virginia, which is further north of where I am from and yet I have had to ask her to repeat herself because I couldn't understand her Southern accent. By the way, the town I'm from is named for a town in New Jersey. Likewise, please don't criticize other parts of the country, like California. Allow them the courtesy to live their lives and govern their state however they please, just as they allow you to do the same.
The last car show I attended had four AC Cobras present (not Shelby and not Ford). I was impressed. There were also a couple of chopped coupes. Neat. And I think they all drove in. Alas! No Avanti's, no Stanley's, no Bristols. And I bet none of them drive Ford F250 diesel pickups five feet behind you. That, too, is intimidating.
Now, what is a good image of a gun owner? You tell me 'cause now I'm not so sure now.
I prefer people not exercise their freedom of speech in the theater and I definately prefer not exercise their freedom of speech at the top of their lungs. I am perfectly happy that people exercise their freedom of religion however they wish, provided I am allowed to do likewise and that government stays out of the matter. I am not suggesting that government or the employees thereof not be religious.
However, please note that I have also defended in other posts, though not necessarily recently, that everyone should have the right to own a firearm without qualifications and that also is a minority opinion, evidently.
It should not be a practice here to criticize a person because of the place he chose to be born, where he chooses to live now and certainly not because of their accent. My mother-in-law is from Lynchburg, Virginia, which is further north of where I am from and yet I have had to ask her to repeat herself because I couldn't understand her Southern accent. By the way, the town I'm from is named for a town in New Jersey. Likewise, please don't criticize other parts of the country, like California. Allow them the courtesy to live their lives and govern their state however they please, just as they allow you to do the same.
The last car show I attended had four AC Cobras present (not Shelby and not Ford). I was impressed. There were also a couple of chopped coupes. Neat. And I think they all drove in. Alas! No Avanti's, no Stanley's, no Bristols. And I bet none of them drive Ford F250 diesel pickups five feet behind you. That, too, is intimidating.
Now, what is a good image of a gun owner? You tell me 'cause now I'm not so sure now.
Bluetrain said:I would prefer people not carry guns openly where I live and there's a lot of other things I would prefer people not do as well, while we're at it. I believe that people who openly carry guns do so with the intention of intimidating other people and in doing so, create a very negative image of gun owners, which may not be at all false.
There is nothing wrong with you having a preference even if that preference is derived from a gross assumption based on zero tangible evidence. The problem arises when you advocate an infringement on the Bill of Rights based on that preference.
One must understand that while one may not always agree with the actions of others, when those actions are protected by the Bill of Rights, one must support the rights of others that protect those actions.
This goes for every Amendment. Not just 2A.
Do you carry concealed, Bluetrain? Lets apply your logic to the concealed carrying of weapons: "I prefer people not carry concealed because they only do it to feel like a tough guy packin' heat."
Don't carry concealed?
Well, do you own any sniper rifles with powerful scopes and ammunition that can go through a cops vest???: "I prefer people not own sniper rifles because all those things are good for is killing people from far away."
See the pattern here?
Bluetrain said:Also, you do believe in free speech as well, don't you?
"People often confuse freedom of speech with freedom from the consequences of speech." -- musher 02/23/2007
She made one mistake about needing a permit to carry openly
Maybe I heard her wrong but she advised the guy that it wanst a matter of what she thought or made her uncomfortable. She is a dispatcher not a legal expert. She dispatched officers to the scene to investigate. Thats what she gets paid to do.
She recieved a call from a citizen who said he was uncomfortable about the situation. Suppose she just blew him off and didnt send any officers and the next day she reads about a shooting at the same place? Its easy to judge the dispatcher when your not sitting in that same seat taking the call.
When you call a 911 dispatcher do you want legal advice or help?
You're right it is intimidating to any yahoo wanting to jack you. If you're intimidated by seeing a gun on someone then you should really worry about what you don't see.
I pretty much feel like this: If you're in a house full of guns then one of them better damn well be yours.
I pretty much feel like this: If you're in a house full of guns then one of them better damn well be yours.
I'm not from New Jersey but I live in Northern Virginia. I would prefer people not carry guns openly where I live and there's a lot of other things I would prefer people not do as well, while we're at it. I believe that people who openly carry guns do so with the intention of intimidating other people and in doing so, create a very negative image of gun owners, which may not be at all false.
Also, you do believe in free speech as well, don't you?
Yet another reason why No.VA should be annexed by DC.
Maybe if people exercise their rights scares you you should move to a "safe" zone like DC or San Fran where rights really don't matter. Until then deal with it. If someone has done no wrong then who are YOU to tell them what they can and can't do if it's legal?
I stand by my original post. It is intimidating and I believe that is the intention. I cannot follow any reasonalble line of thinking otherwise.
Maybe you're not aware that it's against the law in Virginia to conceal your defensive firearm while in a restaurant that serves alcohol?
Get that? AGAINST THE LAW TO CONCEAL.
I always get a chuckle out of you fricking Internet gun forum psychics, arrogantly thinking you know what was going through the minds of people who carry their defensive firearms in a way that offends you, and pompously proclaiming your special knowledge to the world.
If it makes you so damn uncomfortable, form a political campaign to legalize concealed carry, for crap's sake, instead of insulting your fellow gun owners.
Bluetrain,
You have at least one other person on this forum, here, who agrees at least somewhat with you.
There's plenty of valid reasons for open carry, and I'm not sure "because I can" is one of them.
There's a time and a place for everything, including self restraint. I'm fully aware of the legality of OC in my state, and I'd still be stunned and concerned when I see someone do it.
You have at least one other person on this forum, here, who agrees at least somewhat with you.
There's plenty of valid reasons for open carry, and I'm not sure "because I can" is one of them.
There's a time and a place for everything, including self restraint. I'm fully aware of the legality of OC in my state, and I'd still be stunned and concerned when I see someone do it.
I'm fully aware of the legality of OC in my state, and I'd still be stunned and concerned when I see someone do it.
Then you either need to amend the Constitution to repeal the fundamental human right to self-defense, or make it legal to conceal a firearm without begging for permission from the government.
I assume you also know that concealing without a license is a FELONY in your state? So much for "shall not be questioned."
It should be evident from this that what stuns and concerns your legislature is someone carrying concealed without permission, not someone carrying openly. You can bet that if I didn't have a reciprocal license, I'd be carrying wide openly, with running lights and strobes, and it would have nothing to do with "self-restraint," or "tacticool," or "intimidation," or all your other bullcrap, but simply the knowledge that a felony charge is nothing to trifle with.
It's really pitiful that our right to armed self-defense has decayed so far that what the Texas Supreme Court praised as "open and manly" carry of defensive firearms in 1875, is today shocking even to participants on a pro-gun web forum.
My opinion: Walking around town openly displaying guns on your hip isn't winning us friends and influencing people. Its making us look like wingnuts.
Like mvpel said in VA you MUST carry open in a restaurant that serves alcohol. You really think that we like carrying open in public? Kinda defeats the purpose.
My uncle used to carry open ALL the time in the 70s. No one was offended or frightened, even those who didn't know him. The only valid time to be afraid is when it's pointed at you. All these pansies either need to pull their skirts up and head north or get over it.
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Hey, don't get me wrong about my post, I really couldn't give a crap about whatever carry method people choose. I was posting my own opinion that forms my rationale for my choice of carry method. I know the reactions I've gotten from my friends when I open carried. Two were cool with it and the other guy launched on some tirade on another forum about my trying to intimidate thirteen year old kids by carrying a gun. I OCd before I got professional training that changed my mindset. If I had some OWB or shoulder holsters for the pistols I have, I probably would OC more often.
The point is these guys went into a pizza parlor and got the crap end of the stick and had their rights violated because Mr. "I'm Uncomfortable!" made a call to the police. By rights, I am referring to the right to peaceably assemble.
And before I get flamed for attacking New Jersey/the Northeast, I was born in New Brunswick. I live here because when I moved here, the people were calm and laws were more to my line of thinking. Today, not so much. I still think of VA as my "home state".
The point is these guys went into a pizza parlor and got the crap end of the stick and had their rights violated because Mr. "I'm Uncomfortable!" made a call to the police. By rights, I am referring to the right to peaceably assemble.
And before I get flamed for attacking New Jersey/the Northeast, I was born in New Brunswick. I live here because when I moved here, the people were calm and laws were more to my line of thinking. Today, not so much. I still think of VA as my "home state".
I would put money on that as soon as they were out the door, their weapons were concealed. At least that's what I would have done. They were just obeying the law. Maybe if more people carried open and weren't so scared of what would happen when they did, then there wouldn't be these kinds of rights violations.gfen said:My opinion: Walking around town openly displaying guns on your hip isn't winning us friends and influencing people. Its making us look like wingnuts.
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