WildBill45
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Now this is the answer I was looking for! Straight to the point, the one he trusts most ... SEE HOW EASY THAT IS!
One shot to live ... Auto ... or ... Revolver
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Now this is the answer I was looking for! Straight to the point, the one he trusts most ... SEE HOW EASY THAT IS!
jdoxo said:
If the slide on my semi-auto locks back, then I release it back into battery, how many people are willing to bet their life that there's no ammo in it?
Since we're discussing way out scenarios and super-observant bad guys here, take a look at a loaded versus unloaded revolver from the front. What's going to keep him from seeing those big empty holes in the cylinder of your useless revolver?
Maybe your plan is to play Dirty Harry and cock the hammer real quick so he can't see if the chamber lined up to fire is unloaded like the rest, then ask him "Well, do you feel lucky punk?"
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Horseless Trooper
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My Remington R1 1911 because that will be the pistol I have with me. When I travel by car I carry what I consider my working battery. It consists of a Model 12 Winchester 12ga Riot gun, a 16in. lever action Winchester 30-30, the R-1, a Colt Detective Special and a 1908 Colt .25. I carry these so if disaster strikes at home, say fire, theft etc. I still have what I consider to be minimum I need to start over for hunting and defense.
spacecoast
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That still doesn't say whether or not the springs were lightened or replaced with lighter springs. Use factory springs for a SD gun. I have target revolvers that work well only with Federal primers (intentionally), but I don't use them for SD. If the springs are OEM, then there is likely a firing pin issue.
I am the ultimat revolver fanboy. I love revolvers and will always believe they are inherently more reliable. But, your scenario is flawed if you want to favor the revolver.
If you took 100 brand new 1911's and loaded six rounds in each and took 100 brand new S&W model 10's loaded with six rounds, I am certain the you would not be able to go 600 rounds without a jam in the autos, yet, the revolvers would.
In you scenario, the single most reliable weapon for that "one" shot would be a cocked and locked 1911. The round is already chambered, the gun is cocked. Short of a dud round, it will fire.
If you wanted TWO utterly reliable shots, I think the odds go back to the revolver.
If you took 100 brand new 1911's and loaded six rounds in each and took 100 brand new S&W model 10's loaded with six rounds, I am certain the you would not be able to go 600 rounds without a jam in the autos, yet, the revolvers would.
In you scenario, the single most reliable weapon for that "one" shot would be a cocked and locked 1911. The round is already chambered, the gun is cocked. Short of a dud round, it will fire.
If you wanted TWO utterly reliable shots, I think the odds go back to the revolver.
Biff Tannen
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Love these kind of questions, especially when the question is phrased so that the "placement is everything" crowd can't give their stock answer!
With all other things being equal (caliber, weight, etc), I say revolver, because I'd hate to risk a semi jam on the shot that can save my family!
With all other things being equal (caliber, weight, etc), I say revolver, because I'd hate to risk a semi jam on the shot that can save my family!
The bit about slide lock back giving an indication of empty vs a revolver blows my mind. Here's a visual aid for why. "S" is semi, "R" is revolver. The numbers below are round count.
S. R.
1. 1.
2. 2.
3. 3.
4. 4.
5. 5.
6. 6.
7. Empty, "benefiting" from no slide lock.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
While you're hoping that lack of slide lock is going to somehow convince a bad guy that you still have rounds, despite the fact that you just inexplicably stopped dumping rounds (likely clicking 1-2 dry cylinders, since nobody actually counts rounds in a gunfight), the other guy is still shooting.
Call me crazy, but when I hit 6 or 7, I'd rather keep firing than hope the BG is fooled.
S. R.
1. 1.
2. 2.
3. 3.
4. 4.
5. 5.
6. 6.
7. Empty, "benefiting" from no slide lock.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
While you're hoping that lack of slide lock is going to somehow convince a bad guy that you still have rounds, despite the fact that you just inexplicably stopped dumping rounds (likely clicking 1-2 dry cylinders, since nobody actually counts rounds in a gunfight), the other guy is still shooting.
Call me crazy, but when I hit 6 or 7, I'd rather keep firing than hope the BG is fooled.
No matter where I have been the people most likely to kick open a door in the dark sleepy of night are the cops. They are the most common door kicker openers in the U.S. So first thing I do is identify my target and make sure it ain't them. If it is and I shoot at them, then me, and everyone in the room with me is likely to die. So I try not to shoot at them.
I've had both semis and wheelguns with me when I've traveled and one or the other sets by the bedside.
I've already made sure that they are ready to go and that adequate ammo is not a problem. This is the answer to the original question.
The gun is only one part of my defense and not the most important part.
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allaroundhunter
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So, you actually need to shoot again and get a *click* with the revolver because you weren't warned that you were out of ammo.... Then what? Reloading a revolver is not always as quick as reloading a semi auto.
If someone sees my gun go into slide-lock, then they have about half a second to make a move before my gun is back in action. Considering how long it takes a human brain to react to stimuli, they have about .2-.3 seconds to react. They can try something, but I will have my semi auto back up and running much more quickly than you will have a revolver.
For a carry gun, I pocket carry a revolver. If I carried one of my current autos, 1911 Colt Combat .38 Super, Colt XSE Combat Commander .45 ACP., or Browning H.P., I would carry in a "Thumb Break" holster which I consider has the best retention-strap system. However, having practiced drawing, hitting the thumb-break, the additional manipulation of the thumb-safety is very distracting and I cannot achieve the speed of the draw than when using a thumb-break and a double-action revolver which only requires hitting the thumb-break.
In a scenario of a small pocket carry auto, finding and disengaging the safety seems more involved also.
In short, extra steps = more things that can go wrong.
As for those who are obsessed with the eventuality of reloading, I would say: A second or multiple attackers (that stick around past the first shot), is a possibility, but what percent of actual civilian self-defense shootings does it actually happen? "Want to be sure, via more rounds...", results in a slippery-slope where we all would be pulling a little red wagon behind us filled with loaded magazines.
In short, a revolver is the better choice for the dealing with the immediate threat, leaving the what-ifs to those who like to fantasize about being in an extended fire-fight.
In a scenario of a small pocket carry auto, finding and disengaging the safety seems more involved also.
In short, extra steps = more things that can go wrong.
As for those who are obsessed with the eventuality of reloading, I would say: A second or multiple attackers (that stick around past the first shot), is a possibility, but what percent of actual civilian self-defense shootings does it actually happen? "Want to be sure, via more rounds...", results in a slippery-slope where we all would be pulling a little red wagon behind us filled with loaded magazines.
In short, a revolver is the better choice for the dealing with the immediate threat, leaving the what-ifs to those who like to fantasize about being in an extended fire-fight.
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Art Eatman
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Ignoring the RG and Jennings folks, I don't see why anybody who would post in this forum would have any doubt whatsoever about pulling the trigger and hearing a "Bang!"
I wouldn't own any firearm of any sort in which I was not 100% confident that it would perform as expected. So far, I've yet to have a problem.
I wouldn't own any firearm of any sort in which I was not 100% confident that it would perform as expected. So far, I've yet to have a problem.
biff tannen said:
You've got one round loaded in a semi and a revolver.
The semi has a round in the chamber, it only has to drop the hammer or striker to fire.
The revolver has to go through all the additional failure points to rotate the cylinder to get the round into the same position the semi already started in (round under the hammer).
It has to hope that the cartridge doesn't have a high primer that binds the cylinder, hope the cartridge is not over-length and binds the cylinder, hope that none of the springs or rotating mechanism jams, and then it finally gets the round into the same position that the semi started in.
At that point, the trigger mechanism in each can release the hammer (or striker) to fire the round.
WildBill45
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The point of this exercise is repeatedly getting lost.
The mechanism, the round count, only one round, the brand, the cost ... all of such distractions ARE NOT part of the premise so put forth...
This is a human question of confidence when going into battle, as warriors should know ... What Sword would you choose when headed out to battle ... style one--Auto or Sword style two--revolver??? Period... Which one reflects your confidence with all of your personal experiences with different types of swords over the years where you have seen everything, hence, you have an opinion on the matter. Obviously, those not long in experience may not have experienced many failures due to light experience and low numbers of repetitions in life and death situations...
What Sword would you choose when headed out to battle ... style one--Auto or Sword style two--revolver??? Period...
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Waspinator
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You say this...
But started off with this...
I don't think your original post should have been worded the way it was.
Why all the set-up about everyone's life on the line, for that one shot you had time for? Why all the melodramatics? Why the constant use of CAPS?. Do you do realize that when you write in caps you come off as condescending? Then, Comments like "We are not impressed".. who is "We"? Now all the talk of warriors and swords?
You should have just asked, right from the beginning, without any of the theater, which platform people like and trust. Period. Maybe then, the thread would proceed how you think it should.
But started off with this...
I don't think your original post should have been worded the way it was.
Why all the set-up about everyone's life on the line, for that one shot you had time for? Why all the melodramatics? Why the constant use of CAPS?. Do you do realize that when you write in caps you come off as condescending? Then, Comments like "We are not impressed".. who is "We"? Now all the talk of warriors and swords?
You should have just asked, right from the beginning, without any of the theater, which platform people like and trust. Period. Maybe then, the thread would proceed how you think it should.
Wrong. Your original question was
You asked about which style of weapon we found to be more dependable. That is very much a question of mechanics, quality, and round count. You created an artificial situation, and we are bringing in real world experiences with our weapons, as you asked us to do. Sorry we answered your question the way it was worded...
armsmaster270
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Ether would work for me but as I carry A Sig 226 in 357Sig that is what I would use. I have been in that situation and my Model 15 with 110gr +P+ round stopped him DRT.
wildbill45 said:
Hopefully you're aware that the same style of sword is not appropriate to every battle. There are different styles suitable for different purposes.
Sometimes you'd choose your rapier, sometimes your broadsword, sometimes your cutlass. Depends on the battle.
Maybe you'd have better luck describing your parameters for a sword battle. As JimmyR stated above, you've kind of wandered away from your original post on semi vs revolver.
Glenn E. Meyer
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The exercise is now silly. Do you chose a one button or two button mouse to close a thread?
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