One gun or Two

knight0695

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The title should be self explanatory. I am a CCW holder and I generaly carry 2 guns in the winter and on days when it is cool enough to wear jeans in the summer. Usually it is a Springfield XD, 1911, Glock 23 etc. on the hip or in a shoulder rig and then a Taurus Model 85 in an ankle, pocket or IWB. My question is how many out there carry one or two and why or why not.
 
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Two is fine if you're a cop and have to go towards trouble instead of away from it. Hard enough to carry one otherwise.

What's your rationale for two? I usually don't even carry a reload.
 
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I carry two out of Habit. I own a small Private investigation and security company and we also do some frelance bail enforcement. That is the main reason so i just do it in my day to day life also.
 
I usually carry P229 and a double reload along with my Seecamp. In the winter I usually have something else along too, in an outer pocket. I've never found it a pain to carry three, let alone one. I guess it all depends on what your comfortable with. Then again, if you shook me upside down, you'd probably think you had McGiver by the heels. :)

Just curious, but how do you not carry a reload, especially if your not carrying a second gun?
 
Carry two if:

a: You don't carry a spare magazine, then the second gun becomes the spare if need be.

b. If you carry a revolver. Those wheelguns are quite slow to reload and carry a very limited amout of ammo. A 'New York' reload is a good thing.

c. If you might have a 'signifigant other' that needs protecting while you go and check out what might be wrong (like you see a couple who's car has broken down on the side of the road and you wish to give assistance.) Then you can give your 'other' the second gun to keep just in case something untowards happens.

d) Your gun might fail to function. Or your gun is on the wrong side where for that moment you cannot access it (like if your good side arm is pinned, or injured, or holding something you just can't drop... like your child.)

Yes there are reasons to carry a second gun.
 
I've never carried more than one gun on my person at a time. On the other hand, if I'm carrying I can usually access a second gun if need be.

But one gun and a spare mag (actually on me) is all I can manage in my current situation.
 
I think NYC has 4 guns you can put on your permit (hahaha as if you could get one....)

Here in Texas there ain't no restrictions. You can carry your weight in guns if you want (but if you print or 'flash' a roscoe and the cops come your CHL just went belly up.) No registration either. As long as you pack in your categore (revolver or anything you want) you can pack as many roscoes as you want.

The limiting factor is concealment and comfort. If each gun weighs and average of 1.5 lb, why three guns, sans any spare ammo, is still 4.5 lbs of hoglegs.

A six shot revolver and a J frame sounds right. Or a sub-compact Glock and a Kel-tec, or even two sub-compacts!

My setup is a Glock 26 and J frame backup (but sometimes instead of a J frame it's a Kel-tec P3AT.)
 
If i cant put an end to the fight with 15 rounds of .40 and an extra 15 in my spare mag then go ahead and shoot me. I deserve it. The odds of needing a BUG if you are not a LEO are so remote it just does not make sense for me to carry two. Often i just carry with my .40 and the mag thats in it and dont carry the extra mag. with that many rounds its just not needed.
 
Not everyone has a 15 shooter and spare mag.

As I noted, some just carry the gun sans spare mag, others carry revolvers. And then there is your spouse or a 'trusted friend' you may want to have the means of defense incase something goes wrong.
 
I don't think "printing" will get you in trouble in TX. It might get you hassled, but the law seems far more oriented towards intentional exposure than unintentional exposure or printing.
 
This is a touch of a silly argument as the answer depends on the continuum of incident intensity and the need for redundancy. It's not a yes or no.

Here's my take:

1. Most folk plan for the single mugger scenario.

In this the single mugger accosts you - with enough time to get your gun out. There is little physical contact and probably it ends with no shots fire and deterrence.

Such a situation will be successfully solved with one gun (and even no bullets in it :D )

The single scenario, if it progresses to shots fire, usually has the good guy successfully doing a beautiful one shot stop on the BG who flees or is incapacitated.

2. Since intensity of incident is probably a continuum based on:

a. Number of attackers
b. Physical contact
c. Malfunctions
d. Other acts of evil gods to mess with you

You have to calculate if you think the risk will be such that you move away from the modal one mugger - easy to win scenario.

3. I've heard in presentations that most incidents have two more more attackers. Thus, the J frame - 5 rounds is a tad light. I know from
FOF - you miss, you get peripheral hits.

If you are in an incident, like a Columbine, mall shooter - multiple attackers - you burn through rounds really quickly.

Thus, you have to decide if you just carry for the mode - the most common incident or you carry for the some part out in the tail of the incident intensity distribution. It's like Z scores for the stat minded. What is your tail cutoff on incidents you can't handle?

4. Another reason to carry another gun is that if you do plan for a high intensity interaction - malfunctions do occur. Go to a match. Sunday - I saw a Glock throw its Big Dot site into the void and two 1911s decide to do the rack, curse, bang, tap, curse, scream, rack dance. Fighting people rather than paper, you might just ditch it and go for gun 2.

In a FOF, my hand holding a long arm was righteous shot up. Thus, I pulled an airsoft BUG and nailed an attacker with it.

Most of us carry and plan on the relatively low intensity civilian incident. A semi and a spare mag will probably handle most. However, it is not unreasonable to think about the higher intensity incident. We have had civilians in such - two mall shootings and the Tyler courthouse come to mind.

In one of the mall shootings, the officer had only a 1911 with limited rounds and that raised some thoughts in him. In the mall shootings and Tyler, the brave civilians made some serious tactical errors and paid for it.

5. If the altercation goes to H2H, guess what - you can lose your gun. In the recent NTI, I disarmed someone and shot them with their own gun. Said person was a BadGal, so that was OK. Having another gun is not a bad thing.

To conclude, carrying a spare mag or gun is not foolish and not a sign of being some kind of nut. It is a reasoned decision based on where on the incident intensity continuum you want your cutoff.

Setting it at +5 Z scores, for zombies and Red Chinese SHTF with two ARs and 5000 rounds in the car, maybe that's extreme but them zombies are lurking around.
 
Off-duty, I carry one + reload. On-duty I have a BUG.

To each his own. If I were a citizen with a CCW I can see carrying a spare if I were in a high risk area/job. That being said, it's your life so carry what you feel you need for your environment. Neither I or anyone else can judge it since we're not there.
 
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