On Iran

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roger-ruger

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Should we worry about Iran? YOu bet! But should the U.S. launch pre-emptive strikes against Iran? NO. Let the Israelis handle Iran. Its closer to them and tactically Israel is in better position to launch air strikes against Iran. If Iran comes to the reality of having its own nuclear device logical thought dictates that it will likely use this first against Israel. Why not the U.S? B'coz everyone has public knowledge on the ability of the U.S. to launch counter nuclear strikes and its nuclear inventory, or so we thought.
 
If you look at a map of the middle east, you will see that Iran is bordered on the east by Afghanistan and on the west by Iraq. Do you think it is a coincidence that we have significant forces in both of these countries?
Israel is too far away to launch an air strike against Iran without significant air to air refueling. They barely had the range to bomb the Osirik nuclear reactor in Iraq. Their F-16's and F-15's were on fumes when they got back. They would also need the co-operation of Jordan, Syria and possibly Saudi Arabia. I don't see that happening.
Could Israel use nuke missiles against Iran? I don't know if they have the capability. I could see Iran sneaking a nuke bomb on a ship into one of Israels harbors, or nuking Tel Aviv by missile, if given a chance. Iran is run by people who have publicly stated their desire to destroy Israel.
As far as Iran nuking the U.S., if it was ever traced back to them, I think they would cease to exist, quickly, as a nation and as a people.
 
Yes we should take care of them and do it correctly if they keep up what they are planning to do. Iran is a nation that lets religious views, and radical ones at that dictate their nation and I am for keeping religion and state separate, the religion we normally discuss keeping separate in the US is christianity and the debates more have to do with spending funds on christian things.... they never have to do with radical religious ideas. A place like Iran with nuclear weaponry is very dangerous to the modern world, many advances in the modern world that have to do with technology or just social acceptance insults radical islamic people, and they do crazy things such as try to burn an embassy over a cartoon.

They don't have any need for nuclear capability and that is the point. The entire world needs to watch this little nation carefully and make a good judgement when the time comes.
 
Maybe we should just let them nuke israel and settle this **** once and for all :D And don't call me a racist, I hate everyone equally.


And while it was stupid to have people burning embassies over cartoons, If you stood up in the middle of a southern baptist's convention and started handing out cartoons of Jesus sodomizing mary, would there not be some people meeting you outside? Given, the cartoons weren't of mohommad sodomizing anyone, there were pretty tasteless and broadly offensive. Imagine, I've probably pissed off my fair share of people in the world, but to have such a large chunk of the earth MAD AT YOU...that takes skill. Props.
 
I am at a loss as to how to handle Iran. Isn't it our policy that a rogue nation that has defied the UN, supported terrorism, and developed WMDs is supposed to be invaded preemptively without all this mucking about with diplomacy? And now that we've actually got problems with a nation that fits the criteria we can't do anything about it because we went after one that didn't.
I'd make a joke about it but it makes me too f(*&in' angry.
 
Abndoc;

Youre right US forces are currently-strategically located to launch first strike against Iran and youre also right that Iran has publicly called for the Israel's extermination off the world map and not the US. That is why it has to be Israel's first move to take against Iran.

Frankly, I see China more of a greater threat than any other country. However discreet as they are they are positioning themselves in the guise of economic investors thru port investments. As we can see China is bidding to operate radiation scanners at U.S. ports thru a HKG conglomerate. In the 'act of war' PC game US was pretty banged-up after a sneak of foreign containers laden with military materiel were unloaded at U.S. ports. Seem far fetched? I dunno. Just my .02 cents.
 
slash+1 Don't forget, we've got 2 nations to play with that fit that criteria (for now, wait till those crazy syrians get the bomb, it'll be a blast!)
 
Hopefully no one will nuke anyone else. Nuclear weapons should be weapons of last resort. There is no dicrimination with a nuke - they kill everybody.

The problem arises when nations feel they should be weapons used for pre-emptive strike or extermination. The mad Ayatollahs make all the noises that say they will use them, with Allahs blessings, as soon as they build them.

As for China, they are probably more of a threat to us in the long run. Thats how they plan things anyway. America continues to finance their economy, and I don't think they use all of our money to make toys for Happy Meals.
 
take the hit

there are so many people in this country that, while were gung-ho for action shortly after 9/11, they are against it now, because of Iraq. The didn't get the package all wrapped up with a bow in a handful of months, so now they believe we were wrong to start. If we wind up taking pre-emptive action against Iran, these people will be screaming, in fact, they may even be able to PREVENT us from taking pre-emptive action. I think that might be best in the long run.

I think the world (and us in particular) should prepare themselves mentally, to take the hit. Tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, or even millions will die when it happens. Tragic, horrific, terrible by any human standards. But someone of these madmen may pull it off. In fact, I don't think that it will be possible to stop them. And maybe we shouldn't.

Perhaps, just perhaps, what we need to do is, take the hit, and then get back up and turn the other cheek. On the other hand, perhaps we should just take the hit, and then burn them to the ground. Not play around.

If we know who is responsible, it would be easy. But if we don't, or if the ones responsible are not a nation state, what then? We claim the moral high ground, so if we slaughter innocents (like a city), then we will be seen as no better than they.
 
We need to firmly pull the bulk of our ground forces up and out of Iraq/Afghanistan ASAP before even thinking about Iran. Once Iraq/Afghan is stabilized (well, they will never be stable, but stable enough) to handle military bases, we keep the bases there active and let Israel duke it out with Iran.

I feel that Israel should do their share in the middle east, so we can pull back and deal with Asia, namely, North Korea and China.
 
Ok, I'm kinda fuzzy on my facts, can anyone help me with this: Doesn't Iran ALREADY have a couple of nukes? I thought that though they don't have the ability, they've already purchased or traded for some.
 
Iran nukes

From everything that I have read, Iran does not have any nukes. If they did, I think there is a good chance that they would have announced it or popped one off in a test. Israel is thought to be nuclear capable, but this has never been confirmed.
 
Iran

Well suppose we do go into Iran. Of course we don't have enough troops so there will have to be a draft with all you gentlemen under 30 looking at 2 years of service. Looking at the rest of the country do you think the draftees will be able to pick up gun handleing in a short training time?

We won't take on Iran but it is interesting the thought of what it would mean to institute a draft again like Viet Nam.

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Kinda makes you wonder if the illegals are not here to get your jobs when you go to Iran
 
Well lets look at this. So Iran has the bomb and the means to deliver it. Are they a threat to their neighbors like Kuwaite and Saudia Arabia? Would this give the control of most of the worlds oil? No blood for oil?:D :D Heck we can all afford $6 a gallon and the high inflation it brings with it:D

So we have bases in Iraq and the first move is made by Iran which kills 50,000 Americans with a nuke first strike. Do we let it go and seek peace? Do we blockade with ships and have them sunk with Nukes? What will the public demand, run and hide or fight?

Today if we go to war the public has been turned against our commander in chief by the democrats and the media. How can any country take him seriously in negotiation? How can he stand up to them when the democrats are stabbing him in the back?

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wait a sec, was it liberal bias that turned the country against him or his own F-ups? If anything the media granted him a free pass for his first term, and it's only been recently (and over the wrong issues) that the press corps has been so blessed as to 'grow some' over.
 
No doubt about it he has screwed up in alot of ways. However when you screw up as the president and you still have years to serve how can you deal or negotiate when the hounds are beating down your door?

Bush is amazingly bad as a president. Him and the rest of the politicions have sold the whole country down the road. They have given this country to a foriegn nation. But we still have problems to deal with and without support the problems can't be solved.

My point is that it started with mistakes and the democrats and the media are capitalizing on his at our exspense.

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but what's the alternative? to find his actions NOT worth repremand? If complacency is a better solution...

all that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing...or something like that.

Also, it seems that the solution for hounds at the door is going on vacation :D
 
What is best for the country? If it were up to me they would all be in jail doing life for negligence. But since we have a government so to speak that is torn apart in such a manner that the leader can't be effective then yep maybe he should step down and put Chenny in. I know Chenny can at least shoot:D

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