Old currency and presumption of guilt

Well, isn't that special?

I wonder, then, what keeps the feds from making up any number of crimes and going after the property that was "stolen" decades ago?

Seems to me they can't even prove a crime happened in the first place. If it's known that one coin was legitimately released by accident, who's to say others weren't also?

How can they not even know how many were "stolen"? They know how many were minted, they should know how many were returned. It's not complicated math to determine the difference between the two.

I do agree it was silly of the woman to send them in to the government.
 
No one is being prosecuted

And yes it can be proven that they were stolen, they were the subject of a 70 year police investigation

They now know that they don't know exactly how many were stolen, but any in existence except for three were stolen. That's common undisputed knowledge

Yes they know how many were minted and they know how many were returned but they don't know how many were stolen. Does that really matter? Any in existence beyond those already accounted for are stolen and the legal property of the U.S.
 
Yes they know how many were minted and they know how many were returned but they don't know how many were stolen. Does that really matter? Any in existence beyond those already accounted for are stolen and the legal property of the U.S.
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I'm not trying to argue that the ones still unaccounted for are somehow legitimate. All I was saying is that it makes no sense for them to say they don't know how many were stolen. If they know how many were minted, and they know how many were returned, then they have to know how many were stolen. The math is elementary, the number minted minus the number returned equals the number stolen. Even a government employee should be able to handle that calculation :D
 
The math is elementary, the number minted minus the number returned equals the number stolen.
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Well, maybe not.

A cash register tallies the sales, money received, and change given, so you always know the exact amount of money in the cash register - right? Wrong! Humans make mistakes in counting or entering numbers. And then there is the issue of getting the count right and entering the proper numbers, but the cashier steals money from the the cash register afterwards.

Even if the coins at the mint were counted properly and the numbers were recorded correctly, an employee could have pocketed a few later. After being counted, the coins were melted, so how do you go back and determine exactly how many were stolen?
 
"Suppose Roosevelt's presidential proclamation 2039, which effectively took U.S. currency off of the gold standard, was considered unconstitutional."

Supposition doesn't create or maintain reality.

Where's the supreme court ruling that states that either the proclamation or the subsequent congressional actions are unconstitutional?

I can walk into a restaurant full of people and hold them all at gun point on the supposition that they're all escaped criminals.

But if I dont have any substantial backing for my actions, I'm in a world of hurt.
 
"Seems to me they can't even prove a crime happened in the first place. If it's known that one coin was legitimately released by accident, who's to say others weren't also?"

Try reading the thread again. We've discussed this.

The coins were NEVER monitized and as such were NEVER released legally to the public. It might seem odd, but no issue of coin or paper money is actually money until it is monitized -- essentially an order releasing it for distribution to the public.

No order monitizing or releasing the coins to the public was ever issued because of Roosevelt's actions in taking the United States off the gold standard and calling in bullion.

Ergo, NO coins were ever released legally.

The King Farouk was NOT legitimately released, it was a coin removed illegally from the mint. That it was inadverntently cleared for export doens't change the fact that it was illegally removed from the mint.

That disposition of that single coin does not in any way affect the disposition of any other coins.

There has been at least one court case (in the 1940s) against the government by a person holding one of these coins -- as I noted in a previous message I don't have Lexus-Nexis for specifics, but the person lost his bid to keep the coin.
 
From what I understand:

1) Mint makes coins
2) President orders them destroyed
3) Mint recalls and destroysd most
4) A banker had pocketed some
5) They turn up now

So, seeing how there was no legal way for them to leave control of the mint, how can it be that they aren't stolen property?
 
The math is elementary, the number minted minus the number returned equals the number stolen. Even a government employee should be able to handle that calculation
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The 1933 Double Eagles were not the only ones ever made. Many could have been substituted with older coins of the same weight either after they were counted or on there way to the melting pot. Which is actually one theory of how they were taken.

They knew of the Farouk DE accidentally released, or more probably sold by a clerk.
The thief, Switt, admitted to being involved with the theft of another 9.
Apparently Switt lied about how many he and McCann actually stole

In view of how many coins we now know were actually stolen from the mint this entry stands out to me

February, 1934
20 1933 Double Eagles segregated for US Mint laboratory testing (Melted during testing)
 
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