Okay I'm tender
- Thread starter 1Hobie
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Well, poor form is likely as I'm not as svelte as I used to be.
Poor fitting gun may also be likely as it's a stock..er..stock.
I'm not going to get too excited about spending very much money on this gun right at the moment as I have other ventures I'm involved with that interest me.
I'm satisfied that the gun is functional and at the moment, that's good enough for my needs.
Thanks again folks, it's been informative and enjoyable to get your input.
1Hobie is....out.
Poor fitting gun may also be likely as it's a stock..er..stock.
I'm not going to get too excited about spending very much money on this gun right at the moment as I have other ventures I'm involved with that interest me.
I'm satisfied that the gun is functional and at the moment, that's good enough for my needs.
Thanks again folks, it's been informative and enjoyable to get your input.
1Hobie is....out.
I have shot 300 #7's in a day, no problem at all. I have gone through a box of 25 #00 2 3/4 shells, ho-hum.......... When I got a chance to shoot #00 in 3" shells, that was fun! Some of us like the hit, others don't. If you don't like it, shoot the 2 3/4. If that's too much, try #2 or #4.
PS: I bought a few boxes of 3 1/2" to try, now just waiting for someone with a gun that shoots 3 1/2" to come to the range.
PS: I bought a few boxes of 3 1/2" to try, now just waiting for someone with a gun that shoots 3 1/2" to come to the range.
Vang Comp
Get Law Enforcement Recoil reduced loads and if you get a Vang Comp barrel which runs either average or steep price based on your budget and you'll find a significant decrease in the muzzle signature as well as the felt recoil while running the Remington 870 Magnum.
I have a Nighthawk Custom Remington 870 3" magnum and swear by it. The additions and upgrades nearly provide the equivalent recoil of a standard .223 round.
Pictures provided upon request
Thanks!
kbails84
Get Law Enforcement Recoil reduced loads and if you get a Vang Comp barrel which runs either average or steep price based on your budget and you'll find a significant decrease in the muzzle signature as well as the felt recoil while running the Remington 870 Magnum.
I have a Nighthawk Custom Remington 870 3" magnum and swear by it. The additions and upgrades nearly provide the equivalent recoil of a standard .223 round.
Pictures provided upon request
Thanks!
kbails84
Hobie,many top shotgunners look more like Dilbert than Twiggy, Hobie.
And personally, I've been called many things in a long life but never "Skinny"...
Bad technique, form and fit are the culprits 99% of the time.
Fit, there should be a couple fingers' width between nose and thumb, and enough drop that one's eye lines up so little rib and receiver are seen when mounted.
The stock should fit nicely into the pocket just inboard of the shoulder joint itself. Do NOT mount on the joint or arm.
The heel of the pad should be even with the top line of the shoulder and all the pad having the same amount of contact.
The toe of the pad shouldn't dig in NOR not touch.
Form, lean well into it. Nose over toes, as they say. Use the firing hand to pull the shotgun into the pocket and use the support hand to push the forearm away a little. If the gun were rubber, you'd be stretching it betwen your hands.
Stay well behind the gun, not alongside it like a rifle shooter. This means the recoil goes into the whole upper body to spread out the energy and the spine acts like a spring, mitigating recoil.
Use the lightest loads you can find or make to get proficient.
Finally, there's no real difference at target between 2 3/4"and stronger loads.
I use reduced recoil 8 pellet 00 and have few issues with kick.
HTH....
And personally, I've been called many things in a long life but never "Skinny"...
Bad technique, form and fit are the culprits 99% of the time.
Fit, there should be a couple fingers' width between nose and thumb, and enough drop that one's eye lines up so little rib and receiver are seen when mounted.
The stock should fit nicely into the pocket just inboard of the shoulder joint itself. Do NOT mount on the joint or arm.
The heel of the pad should be even with the top line of the shoulder and all the pad having the same amount of contact.
The toe of the pad shouldn't dig in NOR not touch.
Form, lean well into it. Nose over toes, as they say. Use the firing hand to pull the shotgun into the pocket and use the support hand to push the forearm away a little. If the gun were rubber, you'd be stretching it betwen your hands.
Stay well behind the gun, not alongside it like a rifle shooter. This means the recoil goes into the whole upper body to spread out the energy and the spine acts like a spring, mitigating recoil.
Use the lightest loads you can find or make to get proficient.
Finally, there's no real difference at target between 2 3/4"and stronger loads.
I use reduced recoil 8 pellet 00 and have few issues with kick.
HTH....
If your Express is made like my '93 was, the recoil pad isn't a recoil pad, it's a cheap hollow box formed along with what appears to be the spacer and it's covered in about 1/4" of hard rubber. Iow, it's junk. Take it off and see. You should find two tiny slits in the pad that will let you unscrew it. Put a little oil on the screwdriver so it doesn't snag on the rubber.
Oh yeah, I shot one of those 2-ounce 3" turkey loads before I replaced the imitation pad with a Pachmayr. Ouch, ouch. Dumb me. I gave one round to my uncle and still have the other 3.
John
Oh yeah, I shot one of those 2-ounce 3" turkey loads before I replaced the imitation pad with a Pachmayr. Ouch, ouch. Dumb me. I gave one round to my uncle and still have the other 3.
John
I'm new to home defense, but not shotguns. You will benefit from getting a different recoil pad, Limbsaver make some that just slip on. Your platform works great as a shotgun, it just doesn't have much to reduce recoil. The fit of your gun may not be perfect, but for your use it probably won't have to be perfect. My wife doesn't like shooting my Browning with a 28" barrel, but break in and see how well she can do if she had to
As far as recoil goes, there is a reason every couple years the newest waterfowl guns have the next Gen recoil reduction technology. Beretta/Benelli went with kickoff and Browning is going back to the inertia driven A-5.
As far as recoil goes, there is a reason every couple years the newest waterfowl guns have the next Gen recoil reduction technology. Beretta/Benelli went with kickoff and Browning is going back to the inertia driven A-5.
It came to me that when I got my Rem. 700 .308 PSS years ago, it too had a very thin butt pad which I replaced soon after the first outing. What is Remington thinking when they do this? Cost cutting? It doesn't make any sense to me but at least it's easily corrected.
A Limbsaver is my next purchase for this ol' guy.
Thanks to all who contributed to this thread. I'm going to the range this week-end in this miserable 80 deg. weather. Then I'm going motorcycling. Steaks and King Crab legs to wrap up the day. Life suks.
Hobie
A Limbsaver is my next purchase for this ol' guy.
Thanks to all who contributed to this thread. I'm going to the range this week-end in this miserable 80 deg. weather.
Then I'm going motorcycling. Steaks and King Crab legs to wrap up the day. Life suks.Hobie
Years ago there was an anecdote about recoil pads:
Back in the day, recoil pads were an extra cost option. Guns came with thin, often hard, butt plates. Typically, the installation of a pad required the removal of some wood. Then somebody pointed out to the gun makers that the pad was actually lest costly than the inch, or so, of walnut it replaced. So, gun makers started buying recoil pads and shorter stock blanks. Gun buyers thought they were getting something extra while the gun makers smiled all the way to the bank. With the introduction of synthetic stocks, it was a whole new ball game.
Beentown71
New member
I don't have one handy (on phone) but does anyone have an illustration to show him proper fit/form. Maybe something that instructs where to place the stock on his shoulder? Those types of things help and we assume everyone knows...
oneounceload
Moderator
Most of the best made shotguns in the world have a solid wooden butt plate - but then those guns are fitted to the owner and fit like a glove......
"I don't have one handy (on phone) but does anyone have an illustration to show him proper fit/form. Maybe something that instructs where to place the stock on his shoulder? Those types of things help and we assume everyone knows..."
I really appreciate your help. I'm a google crazed kind of guy and all I have to do is sift through the "info" and find something that works. Keep in mind that I bought this gun without intentions of shooting it frequently. Basically just enough to understand function and basic operation for now.
Thanks again!
Hobie
I really appreciate your help. I'm a google crazed kind of guy and all I have to do is sift through the "info" and find something that works. Keep in mind that I bought this gun without intentions of shooting it frequently. Basically just enough to understand function and basic operation for now.
Thanks again!
Hobie
oneounceload
Moderator
To those who think all they need to do is add a recoil pad or that LOP is everything - the above two folks are both Olympic Gold Medalists, yet their LOP and form on the stock are completely different
That's Glen Eller and Kim Rhode
Both of those guns are Perazzis. If one of Perazzi's standard stocks (about 30 different sizes) doesn't work for you, they'll custom fit one. Typically, if you go to the factory, they'll size you via a "try" (multi-adjustable) stock. You shoot it at the on-site range. When the "try" stock is dialed-in, you get your stock made to that size, usually the next day.
oneounceload
Moderator
Exactly Zippy, but for those in this thread, if they see how vastly different these two Gold Medalists are fitted, and yet both are champions, one can see that LOP, two inches between thumb and finger, and all of the other old wives' tales about stock fit, just don't pan out