OK. Who let Jimmy Carter out?

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carbiner

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Someone left the doors unlocked on the phsyc. ward!
Now Jimmy Carter is over hugging Hamas, he wants America to send money right away! It was on FOX news last night.

Anyone else notice Jimmy likes to hang out with Anti-American dictators?
 
Jimmy Carter's secret Hamas summit
Tried to bring Hamas to table. Summit fell apart a decade ago
Jan. 27, 2006. 06:41 PM
MITCH POTTER
MIDDLE EAST BUREAU

JERUSALEM—The mood was disaster-in-progress when the unflappable Jimmy Carter stepped into the room yesterday to share a few quiet moments with the Toronto Star.

The official returns were flowing in, showing a Hamas victory almost beyond anyone's calibration.

The hard fist of political Islam didn't just enter the Palestinian parliament. It is the parliament.

As the numbers sunk in, CNN, BBC, Sky and Fox went into "breaking news" mode, quickly bulking up with pundits uttering obituaries for peace. The greening of Palestinian politics now had consigned the region to another hopeless eternity, it seemed.

At 81, clear eyed and calm, the former U.S. president — who yesterday sanctified the Palestinian election as head of the 950-strong international observer mission — took the earthquake in stride.

With the debate turning to whether the Palestinians' major international benefactors, the European Union and the United States, should allow themselves to maintain contact with a government led by Hamas — a group that has not unequivocally abandoned its founding principle of the destruction of the state of Israel — Carter let us in on a fascinating anecdote he has never spoken of publicly.

Ten years ago, Carter himself sat down with Hamas in an attempt to bridge the gap between PLO chief Yasser Arafat and the then-fledgling militant Islamic group.

As a personal favour to the late Palestinian leader, and in the spirit of the newly minted Oslo Accords, Carter went hunting for Hamas, to lasso them into the political process.

"Arafat asked me if I would contact Hamas and see if they would accept the new government with him as president, and to find out what their demands might be," Carter said.

A series of meetings ensued with various Hamas leaders in the Israeli-occupied territories, and Carter initially found himself confounded by the multi-headed hydra of leadership, Hamas-style. But some of those he spoke to showed interest.

Even 10 years ago, there were indications Hamas might be ready to make the great leap forward into reason and rationality — and perhaps even to accept Israel as its legitimate partner in a future that would become two states living side by side.

Finally, a secret summit was arranged for Cairo involving every voice that mattered to Hamas. And just as Carter was preparing for the flight to Egypt, Hamas called it off.

"They cancelled the meeting. Either they decided no, or they decided I wasn't the right person. But they cancelled," said Carter.

"That's the way it was then. Clearly there was no discernable person who could speak on behalf of Hamas and I'm not sure there is yet."

Carter didn't rule out modern-day disaster in the 17 minutes and 29 seconds he gave the Star yesterday. But he would like everyone to take a deep breath and consider an opposite scenario. To his way of thinking, any notion of peace was already a political fiction long before Hamas came calling. Maybe, just maybe, confronted with the reality of responsibility, Hamas will be the one to awaken it.

"Firstly, nobody knows what will happen now. The Palestinian government just resigned a few minutes ago. I suspect even Hamas doesn't know," said Carter. "My guess is right now (Hamas) are trying to absorb the enormity of their unexpected victory. They are assimilating what has happened.

"So it means everything is in Hamas's hands. And how they'll deal with it is quite interesting to consider. It might be a healthy thing for them to have the responsibility. Ask yourself, `Can Hamas maintain order among their own people?' If so, that will be a notable achievement, and it's something Fatah has not been able or willing to do."

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Read the rest of the article here: http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...115&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724

More news here: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060128/D8FDO5SG0.html


I'm not sure what to make of things yet, but it seems like Jimmy Carter should get his butt home before the stuff hits the fan over there.

It's amazing to me how many people (including Carter and President Bush) are praising how "Democracy is working" in the area - Don't they see that the Nazi's have just been elected to power again?
 
I don't remember carter having an intelligent idea when he was in office.What makes you think he would have one now!
 
You guys should check the ex presidents full history out. He was involved in why Iran hates us today and many more involvements in every dictator that has been elected since then. Michal Savage on the radio has the full history of Jimmy and it is shocking.

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Jimmy Carter needs to be locked up for Treason. He is NOTORIOUS for going overseas, embracing anti-American dictators and regimes, and badmouthing this nation for over two decades.

Since the birth of our nation, its been a custom for former presidents to go do their own private business and promote good around the world. But NOT to badmouth and second guess our current presidents. Carter started this new trend.... and its been followed by Bill Clinton... but not to the same extent.

Notice how former conservative presidents have not done this kind of crap? They have class. Carter is a scumbag and from what i've read about how he treated his subbordinates.... he is a total ________.
 
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Andrew

Thats because liberals have to be the center of attention. Its all about me me me to them. They can't stand it when the spotlights not on them. Look at how many are in hollywood thats a perfect example of them wanting to be the center of the universe. Look at all the attention the liberals grabbed when they donated money to the katrine victims. Wanted everyone to know they was helping out.
 
First off.
I don't like Jimmy. In my opinion he is an embarrassment to all southerners.

That said
Isn't he just saying that now that Hamas has been given the reigns of government maybe they'll quit being idiots and join the civilized world.

I don't think so but there are some here on the forums that have been saying the same thing.

Whether you believe it will actually happen or not does the idea not have some credibility.

Just askin
 
Isn't he just saying that now that Hamas has been given the reigns of government maybe they'll quit being idiots and join the civilized world.
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Has anybody hear their recent broadcasts? Some of them are pretty decent.
 
This morning, George Will repeated his humorous, though likely accurate, claim that Jimmy Carter has joined a unique subset of American Presidents who are actually worse as ex-presidents than they were when they held that High Office.

Rick
 
This morning, George Will repeated his humorous, though likely accurate, claim that Jimmy Carter has joined a unique subset of American Presidents who are actually worse as ex-presidents than they were when they held that High Office.

Rick
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Carter was a real failure as a President and is worse trying to make up for all his mistakes. His handleing of the economy which gave us 22% interest rates on home loans drove alot of people into the poor house. I suspect that is why you see him helping to build houses for people as his policy drove alot of people to the poor house.

One of the biggest failures was his middle east policy with Iran. Not only did he drive out the Shah but opened up the world to the Muslim extremist. The day to day count after our embassy was taken over killed his chance for re election. His rescue attemt of our people was just as big a failure as he was.

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My wife and I were both laid off shortly after that nut was elected, it was no fun! Unemployment doubled, taxes went up, intrest rates were outragous, and we all came know a new friend called the "Misery Index" Jimmy Carter was a terrible president. The left wing media are the only people who color him as some kind good guy. Habitat for humanity does not mean you punish the working folks.

Remember, there is TRUTH, and there is the media.
 
I can't think of one person, other than Jimmy Carter, who cares what Jimmy Carter says.

I do think there's a possible silver lining to this Hamas-generated cloud. Now that Hamas will be functioning on a state level, they will be held accountable at a state level. Their words and actions will generate far more potent reactions now. Unlike Iran, they don't have oil to make them wealthy or protect them from the consequences of their actions. My guess is that they'll have to modify their message or risk extinction.
 
It was a long-established tradition that ex-presidents would not comment on current presidents or their policies.

That both living democratic presidents, Carter and Clinton, both violate that tradition on an almost daily basis, comes as no suprise to me. The liberal/left has no regard for traditions, even if that tradition is for very good reasons.
 
After how many millions of dead souls? Hamas has already showed us all we need to know. Step into reality, and out of Jimmy's world!
 
Are you saying Hamas has the resources and capabilities of a major European nation? Even a circa 1940s nation?

This has nothing to do with Jimmy Carter's fevered visions of reality. My guess is that he believes Hamas has some legitimacy, whereas I don't. Hamas also doesn't have oil or any natural resources or hardly anything else for that matter. If they keep on with their intention of destroying Israel, I believe Israel will bomb them up to the stone age. Hamas may have actually screwed themselves. They've thrown away the only cover they had. They can't run a government in the same way they've run terrorist cells. Their populace will make demands on them that they've never been under before. They've gone from a side show to the main show. They'll have to change or get the hook.

Just to be clear, Carbiner, I don't think you and I actually disagree on the important point: I'm not saying that Hamas will change. I'm saying that if they don't, they will go extinct, as will the fiction that they are even remotely helpful to their people.

Hamas may do well to remember that old saying, "Be careful what you wish for; it might come true."
 
Jimmy Carter, forever the spineless pacifist, a has-been who should've been a never-was. I wonder how the Allman Brothers feel about campaigning and performing benefit concerts for this idiot? (I do like their music)


Any ideas on whether civil war between Hamas and Fatah could actually benefit the Israelis?
 
I agree! Hamas surprised themselves by getting elected, and it's not IF they will try and brainwash the people with stealthy propaganda, but HOW? They cannot be trusted. Killing innocent people is their trademark. Do you ever notice Jimmy seems to be hangin around these silly left wing dictators whenever they make the news after infecting another society?
 
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