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I mean the ones that the AR-15 "platform" has actually been produced in, and also .45. You are attempting to avoid the question. You know what we're talking about.
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I'm most assuredly NOT trying to avoid the question. You're missing the point when you confuse "caliber" with "cartridge." As has been discussed in other threads, words have meanings, and if we use the incorrect word we very much risk not conveying the intended meaning.

And that brings us back to the "high-powered" assault rifle (or assault weapon). Quite simply, there is no standard definition of what constitutes "high-powered." The media seem to use it to describe any centerfire rifle cartridge. As has been noted, it's ironic that a 5.56x45 is considered a "high-powered" assault rifle, but a bolt action rifle in .223 Remington is in many states NOT considered powerful enough to hunt deer.

Since "the media" persist in categorizing and reporting certain fireaerms as "high-powered" assault rifles, I'm still waiting to have them tell us what they consider a "low-powered" assault weapon. If their answer is "There isn't any such thing," then their emphasis on "high-powered" is nothing but needless exaggeration.

But I repeat myself.
 
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that rabbits are rodents,...
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But, but , but...rabbits ARE rodents, or at least they were 40 years ago, when I was taught that in school. AND would have been marked down/failed if I disagreed that they were rodents! (its the teeth, don'tcha know...)

But today, rabbits are not rodents, Pluto is not a planet, and some other things I don't recall, but I'm sure someone could point out....

Just because someone today decides to change the traditional definitions that have been taught for generations doesn't make them right. On the other hand, they aren't always wrong, either..What today is a "lifestyle choice" was once considered a disease....

As far as I'm concerned, rabbits are rodents, and always will be....
 
Now, now. If I said I had a .45 caliber pistol, that's a perfectly accurate, if imprecise, way of saying something. When I say an AR-15 chambered in .45 caliber or .50 caliber, that's an acceptable way of describing it. But what about, say, .458 SOCOM? Is that high-powered? I can't make the question any simpler.

But it's funny when I think about it. S&W revolvers, some of them, say .38 S&W Special Ctg., among other things. Pretty straight forward. Some Colt Government Models say ".45 automatic" on the side. Also pretty straight forward.

You know, caliber also means the length of the barrel expressed in the bore diameter, but I didn't mean that here. It also has other meanings, too.

I was just looking at some photos of old Colt Government Models (not the 1911). It says in small print on one side of the slide, "Colt Automatic Calibre 45." Shouldn't it be "semi-automatic? Isn't calibre spelled wrong. They also left of the dot in front of the 45.

You know, you're right. This is mighty confusing.
 
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the last time I checked there was no mandate on firearm safety,
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The gun-banners have proposed lots of legislation over the years that would require training and proficiency tests in order to be licensed to have guns. You can throw gun locks and lawyerized safeties in that bucket with "mandated safety". In fact, I believe some of your more liberal states may have these requirements at the state level, but I'm not sure.

The bottom line is: Driving a car is a privilege. Owning a gun is a right. No training, no tests, no license. That doesn't mean that I'm against training and safety. Far from it. But, I'm not against someone owning a gun and never having had any training whatsoever either. Believe me, I am smart enough to figure out how to use a small metal lathe without injuring myself or others by just reading and maybe watching a video or two. Operating a gun is maybe 1/100th as complex.
 
I doubt if training, mandatory or otherwise, would make a difference, unless all firearm deaths were accidents. In all of the cases where someone goes and shoots a few other people, they generally seem to be able to handle a gun well enough.
 
Many terms are not defined. For example, "high powered rifle"

What is high powered? Personally I consider the magnums high power, but there is no standard. Someone on TV last night called the AK47 high powered. I doubth he would have called the 30-30 a high powered rifle.
Obviously he has no clue.

To define it one would have to define what energy level is "high powered" or what muzzle velocity it "high powered." There just is no standard.

And that is only one of the terms!!!!!!!!
 
What is high powered
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Doesn't Browning make a high-powered....in 9mm?:D

I think I'll start a company; name it "Lo-Power"; manufacture and sell "Lo-Power" 22 caliber rifles that are identical to the AR-15, but shoot the lower power 5 & 1/2 millimeter bottle-neck rounds.....everyone knows that a 5&1/2 millimeter round is lower power than 9mm, right.
 
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I find the media in it's self to be offensive at times. Incurrorect terminology bothers me. Actually, anything incorrect bothers me. I get angry watching gun shows on tv, car shows, and home improvement shows. They just make me sick, and I actually get mad and I, at times, cuss the tv. The terminology itself doesn't bother me, it's the trickery in the words. It's the lies they try to persuade to make it appear true. It's what appears to be true to the misguided, ignorant people, but to the educated person (in the subject) knows that it's absolutely false or atleast so misleading it might as well be false.

The term automatic is used so loosely the media could be referring to a .22 semi auto to a 1919. And regardless, does it matter? Either way, it doesn't matter, still troubles me though.

High powered, what exactly are they referring to? What is considered low powered? Is there a medium powered? I'm wanting to know these answers.



The Gabby Hayes picture from the first page, he's either my wife's great great or great great great uncle, can't remember which.
 
Well, I don't watch television, so nothing there bothers me. But trust me. Gun enthusiasts can be their own worst enemies. And when it comes to terminology, just read this thread. If you think the law splits hairs, well, the law has nothing on some of us.

Did you ever wonder why FN called it a "High-Power?" I think it was a popular name at the time in military circles. The French employed an artillery piece, a 155mm gun, that was called the High-Power (in English), abbreviated GP in French. The US adopted it and continued to use it almost unmodified into the second world war. Most of our artillery is French derived and what isn't, was British.

As far as the answers to other questions, you do not have a need to know but all will be revealed in the fullness of time.
 
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