Off duty police drinking

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A few weeks ago an off duty cop was killed by fellow officers after he was mistaken for the bad guy and was too drunk and stubborn to drop his gun after repeated commands by police. My question is: are police allowed to carry guns even when drinking? It's a shame he died, but it was his own impared judgement that killed him. I know there's a grace period for dead cops but nobody has said anything about him drinking and carrying.
 
I know before my dad retired (late 80's) he was allowed to carry in a "bar" type enviroment.

Kinda funny story,
He was off duty in a bar once and a waitress must have noticed the butt of his gun sticking out and said, "hey! your not allowed to have guns in here."
His reply, "Im a police officer I can carry wherever I want."

lol, I guess it's funnier when you hear it in person.

Around the same "era" there was a situation where an off duty officer was walking out of a bar an got held up by a guy with a knife. The officer managed to pull his gun and shoot the guy. The officer recieved a stab wound on his leg but the BG died, so all turned out well.
 
"Im a police officer I can carry wherever I want."
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In my experience, the police can do anything and everything they want. Anyone who says otherwise has most likely never had their rights trampled by cops. I have. It's not fun!



"What was I doing officer???"
"We'll decide what you were doin after an illegal search." - futurama
 
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Sorry about your luck. I don't know anything about you, or the circumstances to which you refer,but the rule was, when I was on the job , that one didn't crap too near to ones nest.:cool:

Should be self explanitory,

Blair
 
My question is: are police allowed to carry guns even when drinking?
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Not really,,,but,,,
BTW - they carry when off duty and doing weed, coke and meth also.
Sometimes - they carry when on duty,,,and drinking, doing weed, coke and meth.

Hal <-- Who's ex was a Cuyahoga County Deputy (also a pot head, coke fiend and meth freak)(drunk too)
 
Of course out come the anti-LEO bashers. These situations are few and far between.

And Hal, something tells me you probably didn't report all those issues...You probably had coke, meth, weed, etc all in your own home. I don't want to hear nonsense like that, because, while maybe less than 1% of the LEOs out there do that type thing, way more than 1% of the non-LEOs out there do it.
 
Funny OS: you're the one popping up right away, and crying "foul!". Didn't seem that any of the previeuos posters had gotten all that far out of hand. 'Course, you have your point too: it IS the minority that gives the majority a bad name. Well... the minority doing the actions, and the rest not saying anything...

Not sayin' there aren't cop bashers on here, OS. But man, you see them more often than the conspiracy theorists see black helicopters...
 
Nope. Off duty, my gun carry rights are the exact same as a CCW holder (in TN anyway) except for the fact of HR 218. I cannot carry in the same places a CCW holder cannot carry. No establishment that serves alcohol for on site consumption, no gov't buildings, etc.
 
"Guns and alcohol do not mix." That is true in the hunting fields, and in the city. Personally, any LEO who drinks and carries should be fired after the second infraction, or if he gets in trouble the first time.

I have never seen a "drinker" who did not think that "he could handle it." It is the other guy who cannot. If you cannot get by without drinking, then leave the gun alone, and if out leave it at home.

In line with that, I would be interested in how many here think you can handle alcohol to the extent that you can drink and drive, or drink and carry?

Jerry
 
>In line with that, I would be interested in how many here think you can handle alcohol to the extent that you can drink and drive, or drink and carry?<

Not me! Used to have two (at most) martinis when we went out, then stopped for the rest of the night. One night, the bar (unexpectedly) decided to close right after i was served the second one: I slammed it down, and left. Felt fine on the way to the car: it hadn't hit my system yet. Cop pulled me over for crossing the centerline a bit (maybe 6"), and administered a FST: I realized I wasn't tracking properly. When i commented on it, he was supprised... even more supprised when I stated "I don't care what YOU say, but that car is staying right where it is until tomorrow!". Got a warning... and stopped drinking martinis...

As for guns and drinking: if I want to combine the two, I'll pour some powder into my beer...
 
Being an x vice police

We were in bad situations because of the drinking and all that while we are working in bars and local clubs. It gets tough to arrest when you are drinking a lot, to try and work the girls etc.

We would carry go in and get drunk make a fool out of yourself then leave go back a day or two later they see you and then you are a friendly, then you pop um. Tough part of the job I did not care for.

Partner is in the car down the block and if anything bad is going down you go out side with a prearainged signal and in come the uniforms. Sometimes you even get to go so you are not made.

Tough work making arrests and not in uniform they don't believe you and they fight. Many a time it got pretty ugly.

HQ
 
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First and foremost, I would like to thank all the good guys that put them themselves on the line everyday, anytime and anywhere. This reminds me of a couple, one active and one retired, that lost their lives in a motorcycle crash in Austin. Some times alcohol can be as bad as a gun, their peers should have stopped them, and that's another reason even LEO's can't drink and carry in a bar. Cause you would of tried to stop them might have got shot. There are times for work, and times for fun. In their line of work the paths can't cross. We citizens some times don't realize how much self control you have to exert. Thanks to to all the good ones for doing so.
 
I don't know about off duty, but I know that some cops are allowed to drink on duty.
We had a situation here where an undercover narcotics officer was involved in a high speed traffic accident (single vehicle). He was found to have alcohol in his system. It was ruled that since he was undercover, he needed to be able to drink to maintain his cover. But, they said, he was not allowed to drink enough to be impaired.
 
When I Bounced, I turned away off-duty cops who wanted to come into my bar and drink. Very tense situations, with very pissed cops... but I won and they didn't drink on my premises. If they would have tried to drink I would have made 'em leave. The only person I wanted in my bar with a gun was me. And I was ALWAYS armed. Guns and booze is a stoopid combination, and I always tried to squelch it.

-urban
 
You probably had coke, meth, weed, etc all in your own home.
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Nope - not even close.
My only real interaction with drugs came about as a result of a kidney stone and a prescription for Percodan
circa Jan. 1982. After taking them for close to 4 weeks, I realized I was becoming dependent on them.
@ the time I was out of work and doing odd jobs to make ends meet.

Gut check time came when the tax bill came due,,,,,and I flushed what amounted to $800.00 worth (est street value)
of Percodan
down the toilet.....

'course using your us vs them mindset would blind you to that now wouldn't it?

While I wasn't a saint and never claimed to be, I managed to rise above things by mostly walking the straight and narrow.

My ex? That shining example of "Serve and protect"? That "dirty cop" that you're so eager to defend?
She's in prison right now. She has been since 1994, and (God willing and the river don't rise) she'll end her days in prison.

but,,,

Since she "wore the uniform",,,you're all over yourself to defame me and defend her...

Sorry - as long as the 99% of the rest of you are so damned eager to protect that rogue 1% - at the cost of an honest citizens reputation,,,,that big blue wall (that YOU keep building) is going to be there.
The original question was can cops carry and drink.
The *official* answer is of course, no.
In the real world though, there's bound to be a bunch of turds with badges that are going to look the other way,,,or worse..
 
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Dang hal, you had a wild lady there, most of my friends woulda married her on the spot...Sorry to hear about all the crap that went along with it, that meth's quite a homewrecker...I'm afraid it's going to take everything over, if it hasn't already. I remember one old 'friend' of mine back in an old neighborhood...just one guy. Through him it got introduced to almost a dozen people I'd grown up with, each and every one. After having the 'hood' hooked for a while he lamented why nobody came by to visit him, that they all just 'came by for something'. I sat and watched his whole world crumble when his girlfriend (drug dealers have the BEST girlfriends!!) ran off with his stash and several thousand dollars, never to be heard from again, and left him broke and addicted (a horrible combination, to say the least) to his own product. A month later the atf came a knockin and that's the last I'd heard. It was truly a fascinating several months to just stare into the eyes of the beast and watch how meth effected a community. It only saddens me to know that all around me there are a thousand different microcosms of people going through the same thing, however different. It makes me think the only thing that could possible combat such a devastating drug is through education, and I don't mean antiterrorist drug commercials, but actually educating people...I don't think most people would rightly believe or understand what happens with meth.
 
"His reply, "Im a police officer I can carry wherever I want"

he forgot.... i can speed when i want, i can run red lights when i want, i can park where i want,etc.. etc.. etc...
 
a cop here recently rear ended a woman who was stopped at a red light, the reason? he was reading while he was driving.

did he get a ticket? what do you think?

fortunately, the woman wasnt hurt.
 
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