Obrez pistol and paperwork.

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I have really been wanting to start the paperwork to make one of my old Mosin-Nagants into an "Obrez" pistol and i'm not sure how to begin.

I have an old Hex reciever Mosin that would be perfect for this to re-create the style used by partisans in the Russian Civil War in 1917.

Could someone help enlighten me about how I would go about all the paperwork, tax stamp, etc.? Thanks in advance.
 
This conversion would be considered a SBR even without being able to fire it from the shoulder as it is a "Weapon made from a rifle." with a barrel length less than 16 inches in length.

To make one:
  1. Fill out a form 1
  2. Send form 1, supporting documents, and $200.00 to the ATF
  3. Wait
  4. When you receive your form 1 back with the attached tax stamp, start cutting.

Joat
 
M4 Sherman and Luke A, Bad info your passing out, Please, if you don't know don't make up some BS:rolleyes:
 
thank you for the responses that were useful. I figured it would fall into the SBR cateogory but I didn't know if all I had to do was fill out the form 1 and send the $200.

I figured there was more paperwork than that involved.

also, is the $200 tax a one time thing for this specific weapon?

i.e. $80 rifle + $200 tax stamp = $280 historical firearm for the rest of my life.
 
Form 1. Two copies.

Certificate of compliance.

ATF blue fingerprint cards two of them.

passport photos. two...

and two hundred bucks.
 
Unless it's being done under a trust, than a complete copy of the trust to include an appendix A.( Instead of the CLEO sign off, Fingerprints, and Mug Shot.):)

Yes, the $200 for the tax stamp is a one time "make it" tax for the form 1. If you sell, give, or otherwise transfer it there will be another tax($200) involved for a new stamp for the new owner.

Joat
 
Question: If it starts out as a bare, stripped receiver and is made into a pistol (i.e. purpose built), is it still considered an SBR?
 
No. Legally, that would be exactly the same as an AR pistol, provided it never had a shoulder stock attached to it.

I think I originally had that scenario in my head and was trying to fit it to the OP's situation.
 
"Question: If it starts out as a bare, stripped receiver and is made into a pistol (i.e. purpose built), is it still considered an SBR?"

No, but ONLY if it had NEVER been assembled as a long-arm to begin with; since that's not likely to happen in this case, that leaves the OP with the option of cutting down an existing rifle. However, you are right that if you start with a brand-new receiver, you can "deem" it to be whatever you want, so if he made an entire new receiver, he would simply be making a new handgun, the same way the "Mare's Leg" lever-action "pistols" are built on Italian-produced Winchester receivers that have never been assembled as rifles ( http://www.jbcustom.com/page79.html )
 
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"Question: If it starts out as a bare, stripped receiver and is made into a pistol (i.e. purpose built), is it still considered an SBR?"

No, but ONLY if it had NEVER been assembled as a long-arm to begin with; since that's not likely to happen in this case, that leaves the OP with the option of cutting down an existing rifle. However, you are right that if you start with a brand-new receiver, you can "deem" it to be whatever you want, so if he made an entire new receiver, he would simply be making a new handgun, the same way the "Mare's Leg" lever-action "pistols" are built on Italian-produced Winchester receivers that have never been assembled as rifles
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OK. Playing devil's advocate here, where would the burden of proof lie if you had a bare receiver and insisted that it had never been a "rifle." ATF would have a hard time proving otherwise, no?
 
Well, since they KNOW the dimensions of any factory-produced M1891 or 91/30, and the markings that they would have borne, I'd say they'd go over it with a fine-toothed comb to see if any metal or markings have been removed, and if there is, then the presumption would be that that you stripped down an existing rifle, and therefore, have an SBR.
 
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Well, since they KNOW the dimensions of any factory-produced M1891 or 91/30, and the markings that they would have borne, I'd say they'd go over it with a fine-toothed comb to see if any metal or markings have been removed, and if there is, then the presumption would be that that you stripped down an existing rifle, and therefore, have an SBR.
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If that were the case, the same would apply to an AR 15 receiver that was purpose built to be a pistol, no?
 
"If that were the case, the same would apply to an AR 15 receiver that was purpose built to be a pistol, no?"

But the lower of an AR pistol bears a serial number that can be definitely be PROVEN to have been a rifle OR a pistol when it left the factory; since there is no such thing as a "factory" sawn-off Mosin-Nagant rifle, any M-N receiver bearing original factory markings would HAVE to be a SBR, and not a newly-made M-N pistol.
 
SDC:...But the lower of an AR pistol bears a serial number that can be definitely be PROVEN to have been a rifle OR a pistol when it left the factory...
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Nope. Not in all cases.

Stripped or partially assembled AR lowers as well as other firearm frames and receivers are not long guns or handguns- they are considered an "Other Firearm" in the eyes of the ATF. Lowers, frames or receivers are not considered long guns until they have had a shoulder stock attached.

I've never had a manufacturer ship me an AR lower and tell me it was a rifle lower or pistol lower.

gyvel: OK. Playing devil's advocate here, where would the burden of proof lie if you had a bare receiver and insisted that it had never been a "rifle." ATF would have a hard time proving otherwise, no?
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If you can show where and how you obtained a virgin receiver you'll have no problem. In a criminal trial ATF would have the burden of proof. While you might prevail, you would undoubtably run up legal fees far in excess of that $200 tax stamp.
 
If you can show where and how you obtained a virgin receiver you'll have no problem. In a criminal trial ATF would have the burden of proof. While you might prevail, you would undoubtably run up legal fees far in excess of that $200 tax stamp.
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And that, it would seem to me, is the practical aspect of this.
 
Fun guns. I have one, had it since I was 19 or so. :)

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