Objective Individual Combat Weapon
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Christopher II
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I just realized that they include a bayonet adaptor on the OICW. A bayonet adaptor!!
:::hysterical laughter:::
What do y'all think the chances are of this *thing* ever seeing actual service?
Later,
Chris
:::hysterical laughter:::
What do y'all think the chances are of this *thing* ever seeing actual service?
Later,
Chris
Jamie Young
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The way they constantly keep weighing down Police Officers and Military personel It makes me think I could fight an entire Army with My Mini-14 just by running and out manuevering them.
Pvt. Joker
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And you thought AR's were ugly?
This brings a whole new meaning to "The Ugly Black Rifle"
Anyways, Isn't the idea of a bullpup to get a longer bbl w/ a shorter OAL? Not throw a friggin 20mm grenade launcher on it? I agree with the person who said you might as well throw rocks!
2 shot bursts? They must really trying to make this thing idiot proof, Well the jokes on them!
Man that thing is Gawdy!
-Jared
This brings a whole new meaning to "The Ugly Black Rifle"
Anyways, Isn't the idea of a bullpup to get a longer bbl w/ a shorter OAL? Not throw a friggin 20mm grenade launcher on it? I agree with the person who said you might as well throw rocks!
2 shot bursts? They must really trying to make this thing idiot proof, Well the jokes on them!
Man that thing is Gawdy!
-Jared
Nightcrawler
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So let's review...
It's bulky. It has no iron sights. It has the useless double-tap on the selector switch. It's battery powered. It weighs as much as a SAW. It has a 10" barrel. It's ridiculously bulky.
Perfect infantry weapon? I'd rather carry a Garand than this. The Garand weighs less. And doesn't break if you drop it.
It's bulky. It has no iron sights. It has the useless double-tap on the selector switch. It's battery powered. It weighs as much as a SAW. It has a 10" barrel. It's ridiculously bulky.
Perfect infantry weapon? I'd rather carry a Garand than this. The Garand weighs less. And doesn't break if you drop it.
Marko Kloos
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The OICW is obviously a committee-designed product. There's not a mudfoot in any army of the world who would consider such an abortion a good idea. Such things are dreamt up by civvie defense contractors looking to sell Uncle Sam the latest high-dollar version of gold-plated AKs, and only pencil-pushing REMF brass would nod and hand that thing over to the troops without objection.
Anything that requires batteries to function and has more breakable parts than a Barbie Dreamhouse is not fit for infantry use. Now they try to sell us rifles with built-in laptops to make those tiny 20mm grenades airburst right over the BGs, when a Marine with a bit of practice can just use the old Mark I grey matter ballistics computer to drop a 40mm from an M203 into pretty much the same spot, all without batteries and for a lot less money. The savings can go to fixing up bases, getting decent Goretex rain gear for all the mudfoots, and enough practice ammo to re-enact the Somme every time the rifle company heads out to the firing range.
Anything that requires batteries to function and has more breakable parts than a Barbie Dreamhouse is not fit for infantry use. Now they try to sell us rifles with built-in laptops to make those tiny 20mm grenades airburst right over the BGs, when a Marine with a bit of practice can just use the old Mark I grey matter ballistics computer to drop a 40mm from an M203 into pretty much the same spot, all without batteries and for a lot less money. The savings can go to fixing up bases, getting decent Goretex rain gear for all the mudfoots, and enough practice ammo to re-enact the Somme every time the rifle company heads out to the firing range.
The idea in itself makes sense. Get the soldier something that will
shoot both bullets and grenades.
Now there's the flaw - .223 works only with high velocities, i.e. long
barrels. A 2-shot burst is not a bad thing per se since in a 100m
shoot-out, the third bullet won't hit anyway. But get them full-auto
in order to create suppressing rifle. The gun would be so heavy that
full-auto shouldn't make the muzzle wander everywhere.
And make that grenade launcher load the side so one could have the
.223 part extend into stock like the AUG (so it has enough barrel
length to get 2) working OK). Also, make that launcher at least 30mm
in order to have some explosives in the grenade itself. And, if
possible, make that Kinetic energy gun belt or box-fed, with
quick-change barrels like on the AUG.
shoot both bullets and grenades.
Now there's the flaw - .223 works only with high velocities, i.e. long
barrels. A 2-shot burst is not a bad thing per se since in a 100m
shoot-out, the third bullet won't hit anyway. But get them full-auto
in order to create suppressing rifle. The gun would be so heavy that
full-auto shouldn't make the muzzle wander everywhere.
And make that grenade launcher load the side so one could have the
.223 part extend into stock like the AUG (so it has enough barrel
length to get 2) working OK). Also, make that launcher at least 30mm
in order to have some explosives in the grenade itself. And, if
possible, make that Kinetic energy gun belt or box-fed, with
quick-change barrels like on the AUG.
OK
Perhaps I'm niave, but I can't see even the WORST pencil pusher in uniform thinking that this even remotely looks like a good idea.
This HAS to be something being pushed down their throats politically. The question is, when it is time to belly-up to the bar will they be able to say "no, thanks" and stick with something that at least works?
Mike
Perhaps I'm niave, but I can't see even the WORST pencil pusher in uniform thinking that this even remotely looks like a good idea.
This HAS to be something being pushed down their throats politically. The question is, when it is time to belly-up to the bar will they be able to say "no, thanks" and stick with something that at least works?
Mike
Has anyone else noticed how high the sight line is above the bore line?
Private Smith is going to peep out of his hole and lock onto the advancing enemy with that computerized camcorder gadget on top. Then he's going to fire an entire magazine of .223 into the parapet in front of him and wonder why the bad guys aren't dropping.
Private Smith is going to peep out of his hole and lock onto the advancing enemy with that computerized camcorder gadget on top. Then he's going to fire an entire magazine of .223 into the parapet in front of him and wonder why the bad guys aren't dropping.
Nightcrawler
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Nice thing about being in the Nat'l Guard
WE'LL never see 'em. We still have M16A1s. (mine is a converted Colt AR-15!) We just got SAWs last year. We drive M113A2s (70's vintage).
We'll get OICW's about the same time we get Bradleys: when the rest of the Army has hovertanks and phased plasma rifles.
Although, I can wait. I'd rather not carry that monster anyway. The SAW is heavy enough, and at least you can do suppressing fire with that.
WE'LL never see 'em. We still have M16A1s. (mine is a converted Colt AR-15!) We just got SAWs last year. We drive M113A2s (70's vintage).
We'll get OICW's about the same time we get Bradleys: when the rest of the Army has hovertanks and phased plasma rifles.
Although, I can wait. I'd rather not carry that monster anyway. The SAW is heavy enough, and at least you can do suppressing fire with that.
(-The safe-semi-two round burst trigger group. TWO round burst now? Come ON...with all the weight on that thing, it's GOTTA be controllable on full auto.)
According to the Texas State panel Code a Machine Gun is any firearm that shots more then 2 rounds at a time. Since this only shots 2 at a time it is not considered a machine gun. You could legally have this heap.
Just thought I would throw that in.
According to the Texas State panel Code a Machine Gun is any firearm that shots more then 2 rounds at a time. Since this only shots 2 at a time it is not considered a machine gun. You could legally have this heap.
Just thought I would throw that in.
Art Eatman
Staff in Memoriam
I kept trying to find a legitimate use for this violation of the KISS principle, but only found another negative: You can't even use it as a crutch.
If your "hump" load is some 70 pounds, and this POS is about 12 pounds heavier than an M-16, what do you leave behind? Water? Ammo?
I guess the next step is bullet proof vests with the stainless steel inserts. Nobody can get hurt, that way. Oh, I was about to forget lower-body cover and leggings...
Of course, by the time the hump load gets to 200 pounds, it's all academic. Nobody will be able to move, so everybody will sit around, unload, and stare at the campfire and roast marshmallows.
Sheesh!
Art
If your "hump" load is some 70 pounds, and this POS is about 12 pounds heavier than an M-16, what do you leave behind? Water? Ammo?
I guess the next step is bullet proof vests with the stainless steel inserts. Nobody can get hurt, that way. Oh, I was about to forget lower-body cover and leggings...
Of course, by the time the hump load gets to 200 pounds, it's all academic. Nobody will be able to move, so everybody will sit around, unload, and stare at the campfire and roast marshmallows.
Sheesh!
Art
