Objective Individual Combat Weapon

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Go here, and read about the Objective Individual Combat Weapon. I'll wait.

http://www.hkpro.com/oicw.htm

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Finished? Now tell me. Would YOU want to lug that sucker around the battlefield? It has so many interesting features!

-NO iron sights
-A massive heavy electronic scope, powered by limited-life batteries
-The safe-semi-two round burst trigger group. TWO round burst now? Come ON...with all the weight on that thing, it's GOTTA be controllable on full auto.
-The 10" rifle barrel, for reduced accuracy/velocity, and increased muzzle flash and noise!
-The two-guns-in-one feature, in which, after seperating, the grenade launcher can't be fired, and the rifle part lacks sights or a stock!
-The $10 THOUSAND dollar price tag (which would buy about twelve M16s or ten HK G36 rifles, or about fifteen AK-74s)
-the $20 a pop price tag on the so-called smart grenades
-The reference to standard .223 cartridges as "5.56mm kinetic energy weapons", suddenly making the Vietnam-era cartridge seem new and high-tech
-The technical diagram in which a 30 round AR magazine is referred to as a "thirty shot clip". And these guys are the experts?

I'm not old fashioned. I love new stuff. But this is just stupid. By the user for the user my butt.
 
i like the ID of the OICW: but i don't like a combat rifle that has no backup sights on it, and if they are goin to have a 10" barrel on it then call it a carbine not a rifle, and 2-round burst man 3-round burst was ok on the M16A2 but why no Full-Auto on a rifle/carbine that sive.
 
The USMC gets M16s at $643, the Army supposedly gets them for a lot cheaper due to giant purchases. You could get 15 M16s at the USMC price at the cost of one OICW.

Kharn
 
The 03 Springfield was a good rifle, the M1 Garand was a better rifle, the FEW things that could be improved on the M1 were fixed when the M14 was introduced................its been downhill ever since then. This is a POS rifle. Sure it will kill someone, but a rock will do the same. Would I stake my life on a high tech POS like that? Not in this lifetime. Give me a REAL rifle.
 
The "thirty round" magazine on that oinker

...looks more like a 20-rounder to me.

Oink Oink. That thing's a pig. All the weight of the original pig (M60) with 1/10 the firepower. What a deal!

Not to mention the USMC is so cheap that if the Corps ever adopted the stupid thing (and may that day never come!), they couldn't afford any ammo, even for combat. You'd have to drop the things out of helos at high altitudes to kill the enemy. I think the troops would drop the things out of helos rather than hump them in any case.

Semper fi,

Bruegger out.
 
The OICW is an unfunny joke.

The DoD should defund the OICW program and spend the money instead on firing ranges, warehouses of practice ammo, and marksmanship instructors.

Later,
Chris
 
If they want to give us a new weapon so bad...

I vote for one of the following:

-Steyr AUG
-IMI Tavor
-HK G36

And, for us mechanized engineers, some freaking kind of carbine!! It's a pain trying to lug a full rifle plus an armfull of det cord or C4.
 
Anyone else notice?

The length of pull on this monster seems way too long for comfortable use?

I realize the bolt for the 20mm is probably in the buttstock like a bullpup action. However, I hope the smart rounds never malfunction and decide to go KABOOM while still in the chamber. Ouch. Right under your face.

Better yet, I hope the military never buys this monstrosity.

Edmund
 
There was an explosion in a prototype rifle in September 1999. Fortuneatly the weapon was being fired from a test fixture so no one was killed.
 
I realize the bolt for the 20mm is probably in the buttstock like a bullpup action. However, I hope the smart rounds never malfunction and decide to go KABOOM while still in the chamber. Ouch. Right under your face.
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IIRC, during testing one of the smart rounds decided to go KABOOM immediately after leaving the muzzle, killing the tester.

bkm...
 
There are a few outstanding features of the OICW. Mainly, the 20mm projectiles can be quickly (seconds) set to airburst out to something like 500 yards. That would be a very useful thing for a platoon attacking dug in foes.

This thing can't be adopted until it gets the weight down. As-is, I think this thing weighs 18lbs, unloaded. If they could get it to 11 or 12lbs, it would be great to replace the M203.
 
This thing looks like Murphy's wet dream! All this thing amounts to is an attempt to replace skill with technology. I agree with the earlier statement that the Springfield was a fine rifle and the Garand was an even better rifle still. The M-14 corrected the Garands very few shortcomings and after that we quit giving a damn any more and weapons designs went to **** afterwards. First it was an Air Force survival rifle pressed into service as a fighting rifle and now we have some bogus idea that this POS was designed by the user for the user? What the hell kind of user did they find to design this thing? Some 13 year old kid that played too many video games or some REMFing chairborne poage that has as much combat time as I do being a freakin' ballerina! Keep It freakin' Simple ****head!!!!!
 
Destructo6,

The problem is, by the time you add in propelant, the smart stuff, and all the requirements for a grenade in something as small as 20mm you really aren't delivering much in the way of firepower for an airburst to do that much good.
 
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