Oak Park, IL exploring "new" gun control regulation

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I haven't been at Article II at noon in the summer so I can't attest to their AC, and now they have the heat on.

Everyone who shoots has to pay $20.00 but if they don't shoot they don't have to pay.

If I remember correctly Gat charges by the hour or something? Article II is $20 per session so if you get there when they open you can shoot all day until they close - if you bring a lunch I guess.

Some folks from Illinois carry are doing action shooting Tuesday nights at Article II if anyone is interested.

Skills & Drills practice session, be there by 6pm, $25, you'll expend a hundred rounds.

Please check in with us as we have a limited capacity: 847-943-9235, or e-mail TD@exceltraininggroup.com.
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http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=27941&st=0&p=299293&fromsearch=1&#entry299293



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If just a few hundred gun owners got residence there in time for the next election, every one of those idiots could be turned out of office....most local elections turn on just a few dozen or hundred votes.
 
Groan ...

Why? Because organizations as varied as the American Public Health Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics have for years said that the gun-associated violence is a public health epidemic in the United States.

And in Oak Park, the Department of Public Health has a mandate to protect the community's health from preventable death and injury, so the board of health seemed to be the most logical place to start a review, Village Manager Tom Barwin said.
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Both of these organizations are fringe groups that exist to promote an anti-gun philosophy under the guise of epidemiology. It's almost unbelievable (except that this IS, after all, Illinois) that even a bunch of gun grabbers would put any credence in these groups.

FrankenMauser said:
Several medical and insurance groups in the U.S. have declared gun ownership to be one of the biggest threats facing children, today.
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Of course, in making that declaration they conveniently overlook things like bathtubs and swimming pools. Not to mention Drano.

From the CDC web site:

Injuries at home and at play are not accidents. They can be prevented. CDC focuses on the science behind making people safe – working to prevent leading causes of injuries, including drowning, falls, fires, and poisoning.
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Or this one: http://www.cdc.gov/Features/HomeSafety/

Parsed to not show solutions, only what the CDC considers the top causes of injury to "children" (which, it should be noted, the CDC considers to include through age 19):

Protect the Ones You Love

More than 9 million children between birth and age 19 are seen for injuries each year in U.S. emergency departments, and injuries are the leading cause of death among children in this age group.

Home Safety Month is an ideal time to learn about the top causes of child injury and the steps you can take to prevent them.

Burns

Drownings

Falls

Poisonings
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The Oak Park Department of Public Health is responsible for protecting the community's health from preventable death, disease, illness and injury.
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The Oak Park Health Department doesn't really focus on the most common causes of injury and death. Sort of commonplace with government - departments become outdated but never eliminated. Oak Park is still spending money on lead poisoning prevention but it hasn't been a problem at all in Oak Park for over ten years. It ceased being even a minor problem 20 years ago.

The only problem with firearms that Oak Park has is from the criminals that have been using them to rob people. That doesn't seem like a public health problem.

There is no indication that Oak Park ever addressed firearms as a health issue until just recently - when gun rights activists came so close to getting a veto-proof carry bill passed.
 
I'm quite surprised that no one has spotted the cause of all this. A brief paragraph from the first link the C0unt gave in the OP:

Both state and federal law permit a broad range of firearm-related regulation for public health and safety purposes, according to the Legal Community Against Violence, a San Francisco-based education and advocacy organization.
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See the group I highlighted? They are known in California by their acronym, LCAV. They are, to a person, a group of anti-gun attorneys with an agenda. No need to google them, here is their own "about us" page: http://www.lcav.org/about/index.asp

While the Brady's and the Violence Policy Center (VPC) are not yet dead, their force and power are largely spent. Enter, the LCAV. Look at their history page: http://www.lcav.org/about/history.asp

While it's still too early to completely ignore the VPC and the Brady's entirely, I would suggest you look at LCAV with a wary eye. This is the new enemy. They are at the heart of Oak Park's turnabout. If you doubt this, the links I gave you will lead you to their "Model" legislation.
 
Thanks Al, I had no idea who they were, I just guessed they were a anti-gun "think tank".


Another twist to this is that someone applied to open a "gun store". I put that in quotes because it won't look anything like what the rest of us would think of as a gun store. I would describe it more as a guy doing FFL transfers.

http://www.oakpark.com/News/Articles/10-13-2011/Rifle_and_shotgun_store_is_in_the_works_for_Oak_Park

He was approved but now there will be a community meeting:

http://www.oakpark.com/News/Article...in_Oak_Park,_neighbors_plan_community_meeting

No one is sure what to expect at this so called community meeting, but I am guessing that there will be an abundance of freaked out hoplophobes in attendance displaying their righteous indignation and expressing their outrage.

Something I am keeping an eye out for in the future - the fact that the city doesn't allow the sale of handguns seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen...
 
I should be able to own anything and everything the government can have as far as small arms goes. If I use it in a violent crime they should hammer me hard. When they pass laws that restrict my freedom and do nothing to protect others they just turn law abiding citizens into criminals.
 
I think what I'm getting from the article is that city officials and people who attended the meeting felt like the village got caught with its pants down in regards to not having more stringent zoning regulations that would have prevented this gunshop from opening in the first place and they need to address the situation soon to prevent more gun stores from opening in Oak Park.

http://www.oakpark.com/News/Articles/11-30-2011/Residents_seek_details_on_Oak_Park_gun_store
 
Al,
Thanks for that link.
Scarry organization...

Here's a blurb that got my attention:

"LCAV's Work on Second Amendment Issues

As the nation's only organization devoted exclusively to providing legal assistance in support of gun violence prevention, LCAV is actively involved in supporting state and local governments' defense of Second Amendment litigation, educating courts, governments, and the public about the meaning of the Second Amendment, and developing common sense gun violence prevention legislation that complies with the Heller decision."

I read that as:
The Fox telling the farmer how to secure the henhouse...
 
The other shoe drops...

http://www.oak-park.us/FYI/J12/Export2.htm

Firearm regulation forum set

A community forum to gather public input for consideration in regulating the sale and possession of firearms is scheduled for 7 p.m., Tues., Jan. 24, at Village Hall, 123 Madison St. Hosted by the Board of Health as a public safety issue, the forum is part of a process that ultimately will lead to recommendations to the Village Board for possible action. Prohibiting businesses from selling firearms is considered unlikely, officials say, given recent U.S. Supreme and Appellate Court rulings. However, laws that regulate where, how and to whom firearms are sold and kept are among those considered legally defensible. For more information on the meeting, call 708.358.5480 or e-mail health@oak-park.us.
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Do you notice that they say Board of Health ?

I believe this is the new front for attacking 2nd Amendment rights. The old style DC/Chicago outright bans failed so now comes the new tactic... reasonable regulations based on public health concerns.
 
In November 1985, the community upheld the handgun ban, essentially strengthening the majority public opinion against gun ownership, making Oak Park effectively the first town to beat the NRA, according to the Chicago Tribune. The story is attached as a PDF.
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Now that is several levels of ironic.
Do you notice that they say Board of Health ?

I believe this is the new front for attacking 2nd Amendment rights. The old style DC/Chicago outright bans failed so now comes the new tactic... reasonable regulations based on public health concerns.
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Yes that is the new plan. It won't work though. My rifle has been sitting in the corner of my bedroom for six months now and I have not caught anything from it yet. My days may be numbered if it decides to rise up and shoot me but I am feeling pretty safe that it won't.

It will not work because there are still not enough people who are ridiculously stupid as the antis who think that inanimate objects kill people.
 
The way I see it the "public" health issue will go in either one of these directions or BOTH:

1. Some kind of arbitrary requirement for increased mental/moral/areyouagoodguy screening before buying a gun.
2. Banning guns from homes and vehicles within X feet of parks, schools etc.
3. Declaring that all guns of X type ("assault" weapons, handguns, whatever) are too dangerous for the sake of public health should be banned.
4. (unlikely but) declaring that ALL guns are too dangerous to the public health with a total ban.

I think endgame is #1 is the most likely, but this is just wild speculation on my part. Yet another round of lawsuits, probably another half decade of lawsuits that will end with oak park losing and still refusing to pay legal bills.
 
Eee, Deja'vu.

The CDC's Arthur Kellerman, the Assult Weapons Ban, tried this.
Google Assault Weapons Ban, Health Risks.

Are there any NRA "Grass Roots" members in Oak Park? They may be able to help. The NRA-ILA is on Facebook and Twitter.

Good Luck!

AJ
 
When it comes to gun control, Oak Park and Chicago are connected at the hip.

When Heller overturned the Chicago and Oak Park gun bans - The Oak Park Village President called Mayor Daley to discuss strategy.

Pretty funny...
 
Do you notice that they say Board of Health ?
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Yep - the Bd of Health has pretty much become the defacto agency to go through these days.

It's the go to that the anti smokers used here in Ohio.

My guess is that the word "health" is the attention getter for our aging population.
"Old people" usually spend more time talking about their health than anything else. Us "boomers" are getting up there in years now.

Earlier the big buzz phrase was "for the children", when the boomer's were raising their kids.
LOL!
That idea lost a lot when us boomers look at our kids,,,now in their late 30's sitting in our living room, jobless and proudly showing off the latest tatoo or piece of metal they paid to have shoved through their body! ;)
& that's only when they can drag themselves away from playing with their new I-whatever...no money for food or rent, but an endless amount for do-dads :rolleyes:
 
Oak Park Health Board held their public hearing

http://oakpark.suntimes.com/news/10225316-418/gun-owners-rip-oak-park-regulation-plans.html

I don't know if Otis MacDonald was there or if the author just tapped Otis for a quote, but MacDonald was aware of the meeting and said "“Citizens are being misrepresented,” McDonald said. “Their desires aren’t being heard by the people representing them.”

Gun control advocates were outnumbered by a little more than 2 to 1 at the hearing. I always think it's amusing that when Second Amedment advocates outnumber the opposition at events like these, it gets dismissed and "blamed" on the NRA. In this case it was attributed to the Illinois State Rifle Association, which "urged members to come to the meeting and to arrive early." It think its a subtle insinuation that the people in the meeting don't represent the actual views and opinions of the majority of Oak Park citizens.

The other part that I thought was interesting was David Schweig's request that the mayor "openly discuss what he said was a $1.6 million legal bill the City of Chicago and Oak Park still owed to the NRA lawyers who argued the case before the Supreme Court. "

“Tell us poor ignorant citizens how much we really owe,” Schweig said. “I’d like to have that secret breached, Mr. Barwin, in the paper.”
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Another tactic that was brought up at the meeting was zoning to keep gunshops x-amount of feet from schools, day care centers and parks.

It actually doesn't take that much distance from these three types of locations to make it impossible to open a store anywhere in the town.

Is there a 2A challenging to the zoning thing ? I haven't heard of one.
 
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