EMPIRE STATE BLDG SHOOTINGCue the video from the infamous Empire State Building shooting!
EMPIRE STATE BLDG SHOOTINGCue the video from the infamous Empire State Building shooting!
Kraigwyy - Hoyt holster? That's what I used for five years.
I agree, today the police practice spray and pray. In police shootouts in the last 15-20 years the ratio between the number of shots fired and the number of hits on the perp is enough to make a blind man an expert marksman by comparison.I am a former LEO and carried both, a Mel 19 S&W and then a 1911 Colt. There were high capacity 9mm available Hi-powers and Mdl 59 S&W. They held no attraction for me. My belief was that a well placed shot with a powerful cartridge was the best choice I could make. Magazine capacity and fast reloads were not a first priority, single stack or speed loaders were sufficient. The key was "A well placed shot". Constant practice and training, then and now, is the absolute necessity. "Noises 14 or 6 defeat no threat. I understand all of the theory behind a striker fired hi-cap 9mm. I call BS on a lot of the narrative. LEOs need to be "pistoleros", because it is a skill necessary to the job. Because current management was not trained to that concept, "old timers" like Bill Jordan aren't followed.
Every LEO should feel that their handgun is a part of their hand. But, that requires a level of training that makes current management uncomfortable. Guns are just not viewed positively by them and the politicians. And, training and practice is expensive.
A good revolver in the hands of a "pistoleros is a whole lot more potent than a 17 round whiz bang 9mm in the hands of some LEO who barely "qualifies" and has only minimal skills.
While some of what you say is true, still hard to beat the incredible reliability of the revolver.I completely agree that well placed rounds are the goal for the cop or civilian since that is what stops the fight. What I don't agree with is that all the older officers carrying revolvers were able to do it more effectively than the newer ones carrying semi-automatics. I also don't think being able to shoot out the X at the range is the measure of how proficient a police officer or anyone else is at surviving a gunfight.
I know it is easy to remember fondly the old days when men were men, cops didn't talk much about tactics or capacity, and everyone who carried a gun was a great shot. I'm not sure that was any more true then than now. I know a bunch of cops. Most are older guys like me, but in my experience the youngsters are as committed to excellence as the rest. This idea that cops can't shoot isn't my experience. Them carrying high capacity pistols and a couple of reloads gives them a better chance of survival on the street and makes the community safer. Revolvers have their place, but no longer as service weapons.
The old saying goes I'd rather have 6 for sure instead of 15 made sense then and still makes sense today.
In a gunfight no one cares about the ten ring. If you're hitting the X you're shooting too slow. Survival in a gunfight comes down to speed, both speed of shooting and speed of identifying and processing the threat; good enough accuracy, and a will to win. A little luck never hurts either.
+1How many gunfights you been in?