Hmm, let's see -- establishing precedent for Federal and Speer being competitors is a no-brainer. Why do they compete with their JSP offerings? HydraShoks and HSTs vs Gold Dots? Or how 'bout Federal primers vs CCI (part of the Speer realm) primers? If they allow them to compete between their similar product lines, why wouldn't they allow competition between more dissimilar ones? It looks to me like ATK lets them do their own thing, competing against themselves.
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Nyclad Ammo Coming Back ??
- Thread starter Gapper 1
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gb_in_ga,
It appears you found my reply to your post insulting. I certainly did not mean it to be, and I'm sorry if it came across that way. I had asked a question based on my knowledge of the Federal/Speer relationship and of common corporate branding and marketing practices. I was working under the assumption that both points were common knowledge. From the wording of your post, though, I gathered that you did not understand my thinking, and only meant to clarify on both points succinctly. Again, I'm sorry if my brevity made it seem impudent.
I see now that you understood me completely, and simply think that the answer is "no." That is a valid opinion, and might be spot on. You are right to point out that there is crossover in their products. This would indicate freedom to compete for the same consumer. I do not assume, though, that they necessarily have total freedom. My experience with corporate branding is that internal branding goals and strategies do not always translate to obvious delineation on the consumer level. This dangerously small bit of knowledge coupled with the lack of a +P Nyclad load was the cause of my curiosity.
The presence of premium and LE loads in both lines certainly gives credence to your conclusion. However, the presence of some visible Speer/Federal marketing coordination, such as Speer LE and Federal LE products being listed together on ATK's LE web site, gives me some doubt that ATK entirely gives them free rein. Again, I meant only to pose a question; one that I think is perfectly well informed and valid still. Even if the answer turns out to be "no."
It appears you found my reply to your post insulting. I certainly did not mean it to be, and I'm sorry if it came across that way. I had asked a question based on my knowledge of the Federal/Speer relationship and of common corporate branding and marketing practices. I was working under the assumption that both points were common knowledge. From the wording of your post, though, I gathered that you did not understand my thinking, and only meant to clarify on both points succinctly. Again, I'm sorry if my brevity made it seem impudent.
I see now that you understood me completely, and simply think that the answer is "no." That is a valid opinion, and might be spot on. You are right to point out that there is crossover in their products. This would indicate freedom to compete for the same consumer. I do not assume, though, that they necessarily have total freedom. My experience with corporate branding is that internal branding goals and strategies do not always translate to obvious delineation on the consumer level. This dangerously small bit of knowledge coupled with the lack of a +P Nyclad load was the cause of my curiosity.
The presence of premium and LE loads in both lines certainly gives credence to your conclusion. However, the presence of some visible Speer/Federal marketing coordination, such as Speer LE and Federal LE products being listed together on ATK's LE web site, gives me some doubt that ATK entirely gives them free rein. Again, I meant only to pose a question; one that I think is perfectly well informed and valid still. Even if the answer turns out to be "no."
"What is Nyclad?" It is a proven bullet known for great accuracy and stopping power. Nylon-coated design eliminates barrel fouling and reduces airborne lead. orchidhunter
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It's as simple as that. Originally designed as indoor range lead particle reduction ammo, (hence the nylon coating), the soft lead has always expanded at standard pressure velocities even from snubbies. It gained a reputation for being as good as it gets for standard pressure "stopping power".
The +P version used a slightly harder lead to regulate expansion at higher velocities and offers no advantage over current +P loads.