Glenn Dee..
The license is called a, "Residence Premises" so we're both right.
The Pistol License Handbook states..."In the following instances, the licensee must make an immediate report to the License Division Incident Section
... #4 Arrest, indictment, or conviction in any jurisdiction: summons other than for a traffic infraction]" My situation applies to the last part of that "Summons other than for a traffic infraction" so I had to notify them. The summons was for a violation of a city ordinance 10- 133-B to be exact. What the police gave me fits your definition of UAT. No fingerprints, no trip to the precinct or central bookings... but it still requires me to notify the pistol license division's incident section because it is a summons.
The handbook goes on to say .... " The licensee will be directed to immediately voucher for safekeeing all firearms listed on any license he possesses. After the firearms have been vouchered, the licensee must immediately send his handgun license and a copy of the "voucher" to the License Division's Incident Unit" That is why I had to take the guns to the precinct where I reside. They also physically took the license and told me there was nothing more to do until the court date.
According to NYPD, there is no such thing as a knife being legal if it is under 4 inches long. If that were the case, my knife which has a 3" blade and is shorter than the width of my hand would be legal. I've been told ANY knife is illegal to carry.
The Residence Premises license says I can "transport the firearms unloaded in a locked container directly to and from my premises and an authorized range or shooting club" Ammunition must be carried separately. But they don't restrict me to only going to a range in NYC. The ranges that I take my pistols to happen to be in Nassau County Long Island. Fortunately, once I cross into Nassau County, I'm required to comply with the local laws there. NYPD has never really explained to me how "ammunition carried separately" is defined. If the gun (with a trigger lock) is in a locked gun case and placed in a gym bag, can the ammo be carried in the gym bag too? Or does it have to be in a U Hall Trailer in tow behind the vehicle that the gym bag is in?
As for who stopped me, I didn't know it was the captain until I saw his photo in a local newspaper a few days later for an unrelated situation. I've been working at my job at the same location for 14+ years. The corner where I spoke to the gang members is the main thoroughfare with two grocery stores, a Chinese take out, and a well respected West Indian Restaurant. But you are making a good point here. While the officers who make their rounds have no doubt seen me countless times in the last 14 years speaking with with gang members on the streets, the Captain isn't normally on patrol and probably hasn't seen me before. Maybe the captain was out with some newly hired anti-gang officers or something? Also, the building where I work is located on the dividing line between two police precincts. Most of the gang members I speak with are in the precinct that is East of my building. This incident happened in the precinct that is West of the building. That's unfortunate because the manager of one of the ranges I go to knows people in the precinct that is East (he used to be employed there himself) but doesn't know anyone in the precinct where I was stopped.
After running my drivers' license, registration, and insurance info through their system, and finding out I was completely clean, and knowing I have a DEA card, the officers who stopped me could have just said would you mind if we asked you a few questions? They could have asked me then and there why I had been speaking with the individuals, and I could have explained to them the type of work I do and how I know them, showed them my work ID, and they could have phoned my supervisor for confirmation. My supervisor is writing a letter for the court explaining the work I do, so it will be taken care of on 2/1. The Agency's chief psychiatrist will write a letter too. They didn't need to give me a summons for the knife. They could have just taken it and warned me not to carry one. I still think once they saw the NRA sticker on my vehicle they probably thought I might be transporting guns for the gang members or loaning them weapons. The only guns I ever carry are the 5 listed on that license, and they have their "ballistics shell" or whatever its called and serial numbers on file with the authorities and I only carry them to and from the range. I'm not about to go loaning any guns to anyone.
a quick mention to Orangello... I am "squeaky clean". I think anyone who is successful in obtaining a Residence Premises permit in NYC has to be.
bubsy
The license is called a, "Residence Premises" so we're both right.
The Pistol License Handbook states..."In the following instances, the licensee must make an immediate report to the License Division Incident Section
... #4 Arrest, indictment, or conviction in any jurisdiction: summons other than for a traffic infraction]" My situation applies to the last part of that "Summons other than for a traffic infraction" so I had to notify them. The summons was for a violation of a city ordinance 10- 133-B to be exact. What the police gave me fits your definition of UAT. No fingerprints, no trip to the precinct or central bookings... but it still requires me to notify the pistol license division's incident section because it is a summons.
The handbook goes on to say .... " The licensee will be directed to immediately voucher for safekeeing all firearms listed on any license he possesses. After the firearms have been vouchered, the licensee must immediately send his handgun license and a copy of the "voucher" to the License Division's Incident Unit" That is why I had to take the guns to the precinct where I reside. They also physically took the license and told me there was nothing more to do until the court date.
According to NYPD, there is no such thing as a knife being legal if it is under 4 inches long. If that were the case, my knife which has a 3" blade and is shorter than the width of my hand would be legal. I've been told ANY knife is illegal to carry.
The Residence Premises license says I can "transport the firearms unloaded in a locked container directly to and from my premises and an authorized range or shooting club" Ammunition must be carried separately. But they don't restrict me to only going to a range in NYC. The ranges that I take my pistols to happen to be in Nassau County Long Island. Fortunately, once I cross into Nassau County, I'm required to comply with the local laws there. NYPD has never really explained to me how "ammunition carried separately" is defined. If the gun (with a trigger lock) is in a locked gun case and placed in a gym bag, can the ammo be carried in the gym bag too? Or does it have to be in a U Hall Trailer in tow behind the vehicle that the gym bag is in?
As for who stopped me, I didn't know it was the captain until I saw his photo in a local newspaper a few days later for an unrelated situation. I've been working at my job at the same location for 14+ years. The corner where I spoke to the gang members is the main thoroughfare with two grocery stores, a Chinese take out, and a well respected West Indian Restaurant. But you are making a good point here. While the officers who make their rounds have no doubt seen me countless times in the last 14 years speaking with with gang members on the streets, the Captain isn't normally on patrol and probably hasn't seen me before. Maybe the captain was out with some newly hired anti-gang officers or something? Also, the building where I work is located on the dividing line between two police precincts. Most of the gang members I speak with are in the precinct that is East of my building. This incident happened in the precinct that is West of the building. That's unfortunate because the manager of one of the ranges I go to knows people in the precinct that is East (he used to be employed there himself) but doesn't know anyone in the precinct where I was stopped.
After running my drivers' license, registration, and insurance info through their system, and finding out I was completely clean, and knowing I have a DEA card, the officers who stopped me could have just said would you mind if we asked you a few questions? They could have asked me then and there why I had been speaking with the individuals, and I could have explained to them the type of work I do and how I know them, showed them my work ID, and they could have phoned my supervisor for confirmation. My supervisor is writing a letter for the court explaining the work I do, so it will be taken care of on 2/1. The Agency's chief psychiatrist will write a letter too. They didn't need to give me a summons for the knife. They could have just taken it and warned me not to carry one. I still think once they saw the NRA sticker on my vehicle they probably thought I might be transporting guns for the gang members or loaning them weapons. The only guns I ever carry are the 5 listed on that license, and they have their "ballistics shell" or whatever its called and serial numbers on file with the authorities and I only carry them to and from the range. I'm not about to go loaning any guns to anyone.
a quick mention to Orangello... I am "squeaky clean". I think anyone who is successful in obtaining a Residence Premises permit in NYC has to be.
bubsy
