NY Lawmakers Seeking to Severely Restrict Ammo Sales Statewide

NoSecondBest, as a "tard" living in the east side of the state I'd have to disagree with you.
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As someone who grew up in Troy and moved to Western NY (Monroe County) I have to agree with you. This is almost all because of NYC. The City is a great place to visit, but the residents have a myopic view of any other location. Hell, there are many people there who don't have a drivers license because you can get to everywhere via subway or bus. The are blissfully and totally ignorant about guns. When they use the phrase "Nobody needs [insert firearm device or skill]" they really believe it because they know nothing about guns.

The problem is the people that write the laws and stay willfully ignorant about that very subject. I have to wonder if this is how they approach all law making. One can't expect them to be experts about everything (or anything), but they should be aware "they don't know what they don't know."
 
The "tards" live on the east side and have no interest in the western part of the state.
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I lived in NY until 79 and in those days, the"tards" (only we didn't call them that) were generally in the SOUTH, Albany and below.

Are you saying they've moved???? :rolleyes:
 
Tom Servo said:
It's not just that. It costs money for lawyers to challenge this stuff in court. I've never gotten hard confirmation, but I strongly suspect that's part of it: pass one law after another and wear us down through attrition.
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Oh, that's absolutely part of it. In fact, I think it's one of the biggest parts. I don't think any of these laws are really the point in themselves. All they want to do is use the system against itself. It doesn't matter if the law is functional, wise, constitutional or anything else. It only matters that they can get it passed. Once it's there, it's there for Y-E-A-R-S and almost never held back from enforcement while the glacial court system runs it's course.

They know it costs us big and costs them almost nothing. It's only taxpayer money, who cares? They certainly don't and, apparently, we don't either since we keep putting people in there that do the same stuff.

LogicMan said:
What do you mean that no one will ship ammo into NY anymore? Do you mean it is difficult to purchase ammunition over the Internet in NY? I live in NY but have yet to purchase my first gun due to $$$ reasons, however my understanding is that one can purchase ammo from the Internet, just it has to be shipped to an FFL first; has that become more difficult...?
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Some places will ship to an FFL. Many won't even bother. They don't know what's legal and what isn't so they won't do anything.

It's not as if you can't get ammo, any place that sells guns sells ammo. You just can't (usually) get it shipped in... which is where the best cost savings are if you don't load your own.

Amusingly, that's yet more proof of the stupidity of these laws. It's perfectly legal to have cases, powder, primers and bullets shipped right to your door... just not in the form of assembled ammo.

Except even that's legal again... except no one will do it....
 
It has been proven in different places over the years, that when you pack some species of mammals too densely, generalized mass insanity results.

It seems we have reached that point with humanity, in certain places.

Do note there seems to be no indication of applying this restriction to the POLICE....
 
Amusingly, that's yet more proof of the stupidity of these laws. It's perfectly legal to have cases, powder, primers and bullets shipped right to your door... just not in the form of assembled ammo.

Except even that's legal again... except no one will do it....
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Just want to make sure I am understanding you right, are you saying that having assembled ammo shipped to your door is legal again...? My understanding is that it remains illegal, but it's just that the state government has no ability to enforce an ammo background check system...?

Also, you say that most businesses won't ship ammo to NY, but are you saying they will ship cases, powder, primers, and bullets, or just that they legally could, but won't...?
 
Well, you know, there's where things get real murky.

First, yes, it is and always has been perfectly legal to have components (cases, powder, primers and bullets) shipped right to your door. The (un)SAFE Act (nor any other law) doesn't address that at all.

Second, technically, the unSAFE Act didn't actually get changed. The law still says that background checks are required. The governors office and state senate signed a "memorandum of understanding" that it is impossible to implement that section of the law and that the section will not be implemented at this time because it is "technologically impossible". Of course, it's NOT technologically impossible, it's FINANCIALLY impossible and would cost BILLIONS. They can't get the money, so they can't do it.

So, for the time being, it is legal to have ammo shipped directly to you. It's just that only some companies will do it. Some will ship only to FFLs. Some will not ship to NY at all.

It's confusion and costly to pay someone to figure it out, many companies just don't bother.... exactly what the antis wanted in the first place.
 
"Second, technically, the unSAFE Act didn't actually get changed. The law still says that background checks are required. The governors office and state senate signed a "memorandum of understanding" that it is impossible to implement that section of the law and that the section will not be implemented at this time because it is "technologically impossible". Of course, it's NOT technologically impossible, it's FINANCIALLY impossible and would cost BILLIONS. They can't get the money, so they can't do it."

Meanwhile, in California, Lt. Governor Gavin Newsome (who wants to be the next governor) has filed an initiative petition that would require Californians to obtain an ammo purchase permit (with a background check) in order to buy ammo, limit all ammo sales to face to face transactions (during which another instant background check will be performed), and impose upon ammo dealers record keeping requirements, which records would be reported to the Department of Justice. Supposedly this will only cost "tens of millions" of dollars, and the cost will be offset by the licensing fees for dealers and the $50 permit fee to buyers. Internet sales would still be allowed, but the ammo would have to be shipped to a licensed ammo vendor to complete the transaction. It will also be illegal for a buyer to import ammo from another state (meaning DOJ agents will have paid vacations to the parking lots of gunshows in Nevada and Arizona, maybe even Oregon, where they will photograph license plates of California vehicles, and if they see ammo being loaded into vehicles, they will stop those vehicles on entry into California to check for "contraband.") If the petition receives the required number of signatures in the next 148 days, it will appear on the ballot at the next election.
 
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