NRA Video "Banned"

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Christina Whittington

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Has anyone else seen the NRA's video about the bans in Australia and Britain (spellling?). I went to a gun show today and purchased this video from the NRA booth there. I took it home and watched it. I nearly threw up :eek: when I saw the video of the government destroying all these beatiful handguns and shotguns. Some of these were worth a LOT of money because they were collectors items. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
:mad: If anyone is interested in seeing it, or if you are not but you have come here, you need to call the NRA and see if you can get one, and also, don't forget, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SIGN UP TO BECOME A MEMBER. It's a pretty sad thing if you (those of you) come here and are not a member of the NRA. We don't want what happened in Austrailia and Brittain (sp?) to happen here.


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Amendment II (1791)
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

So many politicians......so little ammunition!!!
 
Christina, I also bought that video some time back. I had plans to buy a TV with a built-in VCR and leave it running at gun shows. Unfortunately, my business has gone south and I can't afford to do that now. But anyone who hasn't seen the video owes it to themselves to buy it and pass it around to their friends. It is _very_ scary.

Dick
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Have you seen their NRA latest about Kali-fornicatia and the gun laws there I,d like a copy of both keep getting only parts by chance on TV!!!!!
 
Christina, I haven't seen the NRA footage, but I expect it's similar to what we were treated to, night after night on the TV news and current affairs programs, for literally months. Family heirlooms, old English side-by-sides, rare military rifles, presentation-grade shotguns, handguns, museum displays (literally) --- all crushed or sawn up before our eyes. In some places, gunowners were required to watch the destruction, to ensure it had been done. If the firearm was valued at less than $10 000, you didn't even have the option of selling it overseas.

The worst part was the looks on the faces of the gunowners as they handed over their legally owned property for destruction. Some cried, some swore, but there was overall just a look of loss in their eyes -- not just the loss of their guns, but the fact they had been betrayed by their own government and sacrificed as "politically expendable".

I still look at photos of me a few years back, with the guns I had taken, and think, "If only we'd known in advance ..."

That's your advantage -- you do know in advance, so make the best use of that knowledge you possibly can.

Bruce
 
All--
Yes, you must see "Banned," but for God's sake don't keep it to yourself, pass it around!
View it with family, friends, and neighbors, and donate copies to your libraries.
 
I already do spread the word, via trhe adage, " A picture is worth a thousand guns".

I finally got my wife really mad one day watching that one. Then I played "WACO, Terms of Engagement".
It was at that time that she sat down and cried.
She finally realized what I'd been talking about, but was unable to substantiate to her.

She listened about how one sector of government after another fuddled up the whole damn thing. Then had the audacity to keep throwing the evidence under a big rock, or wherever. Murder after murder follows that event in our history.
I suspect the planned grand finale is the total confiscation of firearms here. For the express purpose of course, to make us safer. Sure, I believe that.

More to the tune that the UN troops can be left standing in our borders without our say so, to keep us all in line.
A Communistic approach to crowd control is systematic elimination of troubles, and people causing trouble.



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"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation ... in the several kingdoms of Europe ... the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms" (James Madison, the Federalist Papers, No. 46).
 
It might not be Kosher, but I made three copies and passed them around to speed things up. You can't buy them in stores.

It would be a lot easier if the NRA could make some kind of a deal with video stores to sell them for $5 like they do at gun shows. Granted, the biggies like Blockbuster are anti gun, but you'd think they'd try that approach, or at least get members to badger the stores into at least renting it.
 
Bruce - I'm an Aussie but I left the US about a year before the ban. Didn't own any guns either, just used my Dad's.

(When looking close in the video I think I spotted my Dad's Mini 14 :( )

A couple of questions, I want to get it straight. With various licences, it's possible to still own autoloaders. TECHNICALLY farmers can go through the hoops and get them, although it's discretionary issue and I may be being naive.

What was the deal with side by sides being confiscated? Was the buyback for owners who did not want to/could not qualify for the licence to own them? Or did this differ for different states? Please post details.


Also, you must also hear the "cold dead hands" murmuring in America. That, and a lot of people bought gun not for sport or hunting; but for their value in shooting at people (in defense), both handguns and rifles - (even though most don't ACTUALLY do so).

Did you hear any of that in Australia? What percentage of people owned guns with defense in the back of their minds? How much talk was there (hot air of course) about fighting back?

All academic.

thanks,
Battler.
 
Folks it's worse than you know.

There is now a bill that will allow the Australian military to shoot civilians.
http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/8/22/214716

Also, I heard on the radio a while ago that now cell phones in Britain have to have computer chips in them so that the government can track the criminals.

Ok folks, according to the UK, Australian, and US government criminals = civilians.

And here's some more facts from Guy Smith's "Gun Facts Version 2.0" Copyright 2000:

"Myth: Gun control in Australia is curbing crime
Fact: Crime has been rising since a sweeping ban on private gun ownership. One year after gun-owners were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms the results are a dramatic increase in criminal activity. After 12 months of data:
-Homicides are up 3.2%
-Assaults are up 8.6%
-Armed-robberies are up 44%
-In the state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300%
-There has been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly."

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"Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six." -Ken Hamblin

[This message has been edited by Lady Liberty (edited September 11, 2000).]
 
Battler:

I'll try to answer your questions. Remember, even though we supposedly have "uniform" gun laws across Australia, they vary from State to State.

Semi-autos:
Legally, you can possess a semi-auto long-gun. In reality, although some landowners managed to hang onto s/a shotguns, and a couple of handicapped sports shooters have been allowed to own them, it's damn near impossible to get a licence here in the West.

As far as semi-auto rifles go, I don't believe any licences have been allowed here in WA. That includes the State government's own donkey shooters, who used to have semi-autos for aerial (helicopter) shooting -- noe they have bolt actions. Similarly, you've got Buckley's of getting a semi-auto rimfire here.

Semi-auto handguns are still allowed (so far at least), but strictly controlled -- no CCW, no hunting, no self-defence -- only approved shooting club use (and you need to shoot once every 8 weeks minimum and be signed in etc., etc. or the Club is forced to inform the coppers who'll pay a little visit and take your gun off you).

You are right -- it's discretionary licence issue, and if they say 'No', you'll have one hell of a long and expensive fight, with no guarantee you'll win, even if you do comply.

Sorry if I confused the issue with side-by-sides. They were being handed in because the owners (a) could not afford the gunsafes to keep them, or (b) the owners no longer complied with the 'reason' and 'need' requirements. There was also an amnesty on at the time for unlicensed firearms to be handed in without prosecution. Many old guns, some over a hundred years old, were handed in for destruction to the police. They didn't get paid for them.

There was very little talk of fighting back as you put it, because we simply didn't have time -- it was all over, Red Rover, in 10 days. The largest demonstrations and marches in Australia since Vietnam were portrayed by the media as 'two men and a dog'.

Then, too, as far as guns go, many of us (like me) were 'sheep'. I'm 50 and have never known a situation where a gun and owner didn't have to be licensed. We were, if you like, 'conditioned to obey'.

I can't tell you how many people owned guns primarily for defence before the new legislation -- but I would say at an educated guess it would have been hundreds of thousands -- generally a shotgun or a .22. Handguns were already tightly controlled -- self-defence has never been a reason for 'ordinary' people to own one, though you were allowed to hunt with a handgun in some States (not mine, unfortunately).

Hope that helps

Bruce
 
Battler, i've posted this on several board that I truly believe less than 1% of all these 'cold dead fingers' people will truly stand. I think most will throw in their cards, give up their toys and go home feeling bad.

That's todays Reality Check.
 
"...I finally got my wife really mad one day watching that one. Then I played "WACO, Terms of Engagement".
It was at that time that she sat down and cried.
She finally realized what I'd been talking about, but was unable to substantiate to her..."

Donny, those 2 videos had exactly the same effect on my wife, who up to that point could not understand my outrage at the goings-on with the Arkanfurher & his enablers in the media.
I donated them, along with a lot of books, to the local libraries.
Getting people to educate themselves, and not be hypnotized by the TV, is the key.
 
Why the hell would they stand with a gun if they wont stand up to Lapierre for making sure the feds will be able to find us
by supporting the closing of the so called
'gun show loophole'.
This is the last way we can buy guns without the feds being to track us down for them.
Being able to fight back is one thing when your an unknown, but when the ENEMY knows where you are and what you have its a little
disconcerting.
One things for registration certainly made the english safer.....
for all sorts of criminal activity.
www.ccops.org

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"those who sacrifice
liberty for security deserve neither"
 
Waco - Rules of Engagement brought my wife around. Cried her eyes out when she saw it. Not just because of what happened to those people, but also because she realizes that it could happen to anybody - even us.

Now she is as vehement as me about Freedom.

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"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression.
In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
must be most aware of change in the air - however slight -
lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
 
Bruce:

God I feel lucky here living in the states.

22 for defense? I just bought my first non-2-legged-animal firearm (out of many) - a 22 pistol. Tested it at 15 yards - wondered how why I kept missing paper entirely!! Turned out I was drilling the center; but couldn't see the holes. Training purposes only, that round.

However, the gun control as you have it there, well, is, pretty much inevitable. It's easier to talk tough here when you bought your gun without submitting to any "permission" (unless you count the bg check which you don't really NEED to go through if you buy privately) and being registered. . . . that will change.

I feel a strange feeling though. . . . . do I really own my guns? I realize under socialism none of us REALLY owns property; but that one day my right to own them will cease to be legally recognized. I cannot honestly claim to own them in the same sense that I own, say, my lava-lamp. I payed for both; but one day someone will come for one of them.

Point I try to drive home about Australia and America is that the latest ban isn't the big one, it's been going on for a while. Licencing/registration was an assault, banning classes of weapons was an assault, this was just a slight tightening of the licencing.

Remember that gun owners help this by supporting some gun laws. You'd probably have 90% of Australian gun owners (well, at least before they ALL got the shaft) agreeing with the ban on fullautos. 99.9% would think that people running around wearing pistols would cause blood to run in the streets and should be illegal. I carry a .45acp 1911 here - back when I was in Australia, while I was a farm boy familiar with guns, if someone suggested that be made legal I would have thought them insane!!

Come to the US and be un-brainwashed :)

They're dividing gun owners quite successfully in the US. They're not going to shaft "hunters" for a while. So the hunters don't really care about pistols and scary black rifles.


I still have a question for you, I didn't make it clear last time around. Yes, I'm sure people marched against the new laws; but, and here's the important part - were they marching to keep tools and toys, or were they marching to keep WEAPONS.

Even in the US it is a minority who have the latter - but a significant one.


I appreciate hearing some of the Aussie slang in your posts that I no longer hear or use (you don't need "IN WEST OZ" in your name, it's plain you're not American).


Battler.
 
BTW - I wish people would cut out that "armed robberies are up" stuff.

This STILL plays into their hands.

Gun banning is wrong because it's wrong for government to come and steal people's s**t, not because crime will go up or down.


Battler.
 
Battler:

I can only speak for those I've asked about this, but they were approx. 90% opposed to the gun confiscation on the basis of loss of freedom, of being forced to disarm and involuntarily surrender a means of self-protection. The remaining 10% were more concerned with the destruction of something that had monetary, historical or personal value to them. The vast majority are opposed to the clauses that make it illegal to own a firearm for self-defence.

We (gunowners) have become so paranoid here that the SSAA had all its regulations, Range Officer commands, everything, rewritten to remove the word "weapon" -- we only refer to "firearms" now, even in speaking. Which is stupid because both the media and the police still use the word "weapons".

I agree that you will be "split up" and "targeted" one group at a time. Here's a few predictions for the US from Uncle Bruce.

• Shotgunners will have bird hunting banned by the efforts of the animal welfare groups (same as here -- no duck or snipe hunting allowed and breeding for shooting is also banned)

• Handguns will be regulated out of existence for "ordinary" people

• Varmint rifles and high-magnification scopes will be first demonised and then banned as "long-range sniper rifles"

• Calibre limits will apply -- goodbye .50 cal

• National licensing requirement for firearms, esp. handguns. If California is a "success", the trend will accelerate.

• Reloading components and powder, as well as factory ammunition, will have the same licensing requirements as the firearms themselves.

• Locked storage will be mandatory

"It won't happen overnight -- but it will happen"

B
 
I have another question for you pertaining to "guns for defense".

Defense against burglars in your house at night? Obviously not defense while you're out and about, no carry, blah blah.

Did Australia have a "cold dead hands" crowd? I know a lot of guns are taking dirt naps right now (big deal, they'll rust), i.e. were not handed in.

On the forums here you will hear people talk about the second amendment and their guns in different terms - defense against government. I'm not saying I'm into this personally, mind you; but some consider the govt. confiscating guns to be an example of where that defense is warranted (although I'll say again for agents reading this board that I'm not into that).

Did you hear the same murmuring? From just listening in on how many Americans talk on the boards about this topic; many believe having guns is a fundamental right, that the governmeent lacks the POWER to restrict, as opposed to the Australian govt. that has no limits (although we know the reality is somewhat otherwise).


I know there weren't many big confrontations over the gun ban, and people who had registered guns who hid them haven't had any cops come around.


Of course, any of them can be picked up instantly if found with their guns.


It's not the sudden door to door gun bans I fear, it's the slow grinding cra*.


Battler.
 
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