NRA stupidity

Geoff,
I'm quite familier with the tactic of the "big lie". That is indeed one of the classic was of undermining people. History is replete with similar tactics, I mean just look at when the Reichstag burned down in 1932 Hitler immediatly used that as a pretext to justify the passing of the USA PATRIOT Act (or was it the "Enabling Act"?) to squash civil liberties.
The NRA has done virtually nothing to reachout to those of us who maybe "bleeding heart" liberals (doesn't mean Democrat), yet who like me have a collection of Evil Black Rifles (you'd think that when I put a folding stock on my Post-Ban AR-15 that 100 baby seals suddenly died a horible gruesome death and the O-Zone hole trippled in size as a direct result by listening to some of my fellow liberals :p ). If the NRA expects to ever regain my support, they are going to have to do more than be the Bush cheerleading squad.
 
UT,

What has Delay done that many on the democratic side didn't? Pelosi and many others have spent twice as much on salaries to their family members.

What exactly did he do that is illegal?

To me, saying that the NRA are idiots for inviting Delay is akin to saying that the Vatican (not catholic so if I spelled it wrong, sorry) are idiots for allowing William Clinton come see the Pope.

As far as Bush and Kerry goes, if Kerry was in office right now, you really think, in your heart, that we wouldn't have been ordered by now to turn in all of our "assault" rifles? Or at a minimum we would at least have a worse ban then before?

Hey, I don't walk "lock step" with Bush either. But at least I have a chance with him in office then I would with Kerry in office. I am willing to take my slim chances at getting something done then have no chance at all.

As for the NRA, I am not a member for other reasons then slogans and who they invite to their convensions. I would like to believe that my reasons are well thought out. Maybe, maybe not.

Instead of just whining about the organizations and then spewing "brimstone and sulfur" when they are mentioned, why don't all become a life member and then have the ability to vote in the elections? Or better yet, try to get a position with the organization where your voice is always heard, day in and day out?

If you don't like the people that are nominated for President, or for Congress/Senate, then why not run for the office? And don't tell me it's because of the money, heck, that's like saying, don't tell me because of the lesser of the two evils.

In another thread you said that someone was just "too angry" to carry on the conversation... I think that the person that you were talking about is you. Not to be an insult, just saying what I see. We see people angry enough to do for the cause, we have people that are just angry but try to find some solution or help in a small way, and then there are those that are just angry.

Wayne
 
If the NRA expects to ever regain my support, they are going to have to do more than be the Bush cheerleading squad.
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Let's see. There were two choices for president: Bush and Kerry.

What is one of the goals of the NRA? To keep rabidly anti-gun people out of office (e.g. John Kerry).

Who exactly were they supposed to cheerlead for if not Bush?

And comparing PATRIOT to the Reichstag Fire Decree is freakin' ridiculous.
 
There were two choices for president: Bush and Kerry.

In Several districts I am aware of, there was no Democrat competitor for Congress, only a Libertarian running agaisnt a Republican. What do you think the NRA did, for example in the Gonzales/Balart race in Florida?

Answer: They pretended Gonzales didn't exist.
 
I don't understand the problem with letting a pro 2a politician address the NRA. To paraphrase previous posts: DeLay hasn't done anything illegal or anything worse than many Democrat politicians. We all know that the media is pro Dem. Anything that the Dems say is not scrutinized at all. Frankly I don't trust the media at all. The same with (most) Dems. Especially the Boxer/Pelosi/Kennedy/Schumer wing Dems. :mad: EVERYTHING they do is for politics. They have long ago abandoned any idea of doing the right thing, only the "lets get power back" thing. When you look at their statements you find them contradictory, confusing, and illogical. They're purely political animals (no disrespect intended to animals).
 
And I repeat my question:

Why does 922[o] still exist?
Why isn't the 1989 import ban dead?
Why isn't there no endorsement of Libertarians, even in races where no Democrat is present and it's purely a L-R race?
Why isn't anybody pushing for repeal of the Gun Free Schools Act?
 
News Flash, People

There are Pro-2nd Amendment Liberals out there, just like there are pro-choice Republicans, or anti-Bush conservatives.

Some Liberals see Firearms ownership as a civil right to ultimately prevent tyranny.

The Bill of Rights is not just for Republicans- they just attack it just as readily as the Left- the "War on Drugs" is a good example.
 
Vote for a good democrat puts bad dems on important committee posts

The downside of voting democrat -- even for a very good democrat -- is that good democrats don't get any respect from their own party. If it puts the dems over into the majority, they get to control the committees, and it isn't the good democrats we elect that get those posts. The committee chair posts go to people like Barbara Boxer, Ted Kenedy, Feinstein, etc. You can see how they vote, and what bills they introduce.

Dan
 
DanEP:

Welcome to the forum!

And you are quite right about the committee chairs going to the party in the majority, and therein is the real power in government. Therefore, I will not now vote for any candidate that is a member of the party (which will remain nameless) that is, at it's core, anti-gun and anti-freedom. The only way that I would ever consider changing that stance is when that party's platform is changed such that it is no longer anti-gun and anti-freedom. I'm not holding my breath about that happening any time soon, it is too much like insisting that all too many leopards change their spots. I find it sad that there are individual candidates in that party that are not themselves anti-gun and anti-freedom, but since they are still part of that party, and voting for them enables those who are anti-gun and anti-freedom, I cannot in all good conscience vote for them.

Remember this for it is critical: When you vote, you are voting not only for the individual candidate, but for the platform of that individual's party and for that party's leadership. If the platform is negative and/or that party's leadership is negative, that trumps what is positive about the individual candidate.
 
Dan and GB,

You are both right, but the time is getting close where we need to realize that the Republican Party is becoming just as anti-gun as the Democrats.

Then what do we do?

Like I said before, the new Attorney General is no friend to gun owners.
 
Deals with the devil

Things can get more complicated. Schumer got red state Dems to run and get elected. All the evil coalition got in the chair positions... but those new dems are generally pro-gun. Anti-gun bills on the floor may find resistance from this crowd because they have to go home and explain their votes to their constituencies. For the most part, except for the most rabid anti's, they have been remarkably quiet about anti-gun legislation, even after the VA-tech shooting. I suspect that there's a lot of in-party arm twisting going on -- especially against these freshmen.

Closer to (my) home, NY State Assembly has some positive democrats supporting gun owners -- as much as anybody can given the iron hand that the anti-gunner democrats have on the throat of any reasonable pro-gun-rights legislation that gets introduced. Assemblywoman Fields is a great example... Given the strong urban majority in that legislative body, supporting a pro-gun democrat doesn't hurt any, and weakens the majority urban base. The situation is vastly different in the state senate, and that given not only the slim republican majority, but also the growing tendency for republicans to have urban mindsets.

Even though Schumer made such a deal with his devil, it still is to our best advantage to try to get pro-gun folks in charge of the committees, and that is most likely to happen with republicans in the majority in our federal legislature.

Dan
 
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