Paul Revere
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Call a spade a spade; if you own a firearm and do not belong to the NRA, YOU are a HYPOCRITE!!!!
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Bluesman, I thought I _had_ made it clear that present company was indeed excluded from my remarks. But, since you took it otherwise,
please accept my apologies and my clarification that I was speaking about the millions of gun owners who do nothing.
In the few months since I found this board, I've noticed that it is pretty much the same names that surface under "Legal and Political," while the number of members of TFL is over 4,000. I wonder---rhetorically, now
---how many of the posters on the other forums are too disinterested to come to Legal and Political to find out what's going on?
Dick
please accept my apologies and my clarification that I was speaking about the millions of gun owners who do nothing.
In the few months since I found this board, I've noticed that it is pretty much the same names that surface under "Legal and Political," while the number of members of TFL is over 4,000. I wonder---rhetorically, now
---how many of the posters on the other forums are too disinterested to come to Legal and Political to find out what's going on?Dick
TheBluesMan
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Thanks, Dick. I don't usually like to post my "gentle reminders" to take the high road in a thread, but you and I had already communicated over this privately.
You bring up a good point too. I also wonder how many of our members aren't really involved in the RKBA movement. I'm sure that there are quite a few who just come for the fun and/or learning and then bug out. There is certainly room for such as these under our canopy, no? My main point being that these folks, right under our noses, are just waiting to be our allies.
I think ElJefe said it best:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The NRA may not be perfect but it swings a pretty big bat, one that quite a few people respect. Get back on the team and find a few others that want to make the trip with you! Remember that all that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing. Stand together now or get stood against the wall later.[/quote]
Another interesting point you bring up: Though I don't necessarily believe that posting in the Legal forum can be equated with belonging to the NRA, you are correct about the "same names" that recur on most posts. This thread is a good example.
(In my best Miss Sally - Romper Room voice) I see labgrade and nralife, Monkeyleg and Joseph, Rigby and Mongrel, ElJefe and Brett.
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RKBA!
"The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security"
Ohio Constitution, Article I, Section 4
Concealed Carry is illegal in Ohio.
Ohioans for Concealed Carry Website
You bring up a good point too. I also wonder how many of our members aren't really involved in the RKBA movement. I'm sure that there are quite a few who just come for the fun and/or learning and then bug out. There is certainly room for such as these under our canopy, no? My main point being that these folks, right under our noses, are just waiting to be our allies.
I think ElJefe said it best:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The NRA may not be perfect but it swings a pretty big bat, one that quite a few people respect. Get back on the team and find a few others that want to make the trip with you! Remember that all that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing. Stand together now or get stood against the wall later.[/quote]
Another interesting point you bring up: Though I don't necessarily believe that posting in the Legal forum can be equated with belonging to the NRA, you are correct about the "same names" that recur on most posts. This thread is a good example.
(In my best Miss Sally - Romper Room voice) I see labgrade and nralife, Monkeyleg and Joseph, Rigby and Mongrel, ElJefe and Brett.
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RKBA!
"The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security"
Ohio Constitution, Article I, Section 4
Concealed Carry is illegal in Ohio.
Ohioans for Concealed Carry Website
I'm watching these posts..
Okay.The NRA is big...way big...big because they get your money,and your name on thier roles.
But
The majority of posts seem to not like the NRA for one reason or another.
So
Heres a neat idea. Give to the group that supports your views and listens to your concerns.
Maybe someday the NRA wont be the end all be all. Maybe GOA will be #1, or JPFO.Maybe there'll be more than one very strong pro gun organization, one being more conservative than another.
I've never been one for choosing between the lesser of two evils.I will go to the polls and vote for a loser because that man or woman is who I felt could lead the best.
I wont support the NRA,they support the 2nd.But theres more to what I hold as valuable than just the second.And they dont represent that.They've gotten to big and fat, like a bunch of weebles.
We need brakes put on the erosion of the second, not compromise.We need a long term strategy for the strengthening of the second, not to simply slow its demise.
HCI has been chipping away at the second a piece at a time for years and years.With each piece thats lost it makes it easier to take the next.The NRA allows that.
Again, I was a member for years.But I'm not into free offers, a baseball cap..free mag..and then to bug me over and over for more. Mailings DO cost money,paper, printing, layout, postage.Removing my name from a list takes less time than adding it on..I don't stand for mediocrity, especially when I'm paying for it.
Not being a member doesn't make one a traitor to the cause.Too many NRA members just pay thier dues and let the NRA do the work.Try taking that 35 bucks and sending 35 dollars worth of letters to your congressman or woman, think of how overwhelming that would be.3.5 million members at 106 letters per person.
I'll do what I do, write letters, emails, take non-shooters shooting and hunting, vote my mind.
Okay.The NRA is big...way big...big because they get your money,and your name on thier roles.
But
The majority of posts seem to not like the NRA for one reason or another.
So
Heres a neat idea. Give to the group that supports your views and listens to your concerns.
Maybe someday the NRA wont be the end all be all. Maybe GOA will be #1, or JPFO.Maybe there'll be more than one very strong pro gun organization, one being more conservative than another.
I've never been one for choosing between the lesser of two evils.I will go to the polls and vote for a loser because that man or woman is who I felt could lead the best.
I wont support the NRA,they support the 2nd.But theres more to what I hold as valuable than just the second.And they dont represent that.They've gotten to big and fat, like a bunch of weebles.
We need brakes put on the erosion of the second, not compromise.We need a long term strategy for the strengthening of the second, not to simply slow its demise.
HCI has been chipping away at the second a piece at a time for years and years.With each piece thats lost it makes it easier to take the next.The NRA allows that.
Again, I was a member for years.But I'm not into free offers, a baseball cap..free mag..and then to bug me over and over for more. Mailings DO cost money,paper, printing, layout, postage.Removing my name from a list takes less time than adding it on..I don't stand for mediocrity, especially when I'm paying for it.
Not being a member doesn't make one a traitor to the cause.Too many NRA members just pay thier dues and let the NRA do the work.Try taking that 35 bucks and sending 35 dollars worth of letters to your congressman or woman, think of how overwhelming that would be.3.5 million members at 106 letters per person.
I'll do what I do, write letters, emails, take non-shooters shooting and hunting, vote my mind.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mongrel66:
Again, I was a member for years.But I'm not into free offers, a baseball cap..free mag..and then to bug me over and over for more. Mailings DO cost money,paper, printing, layout, postage.Removing my name from a list takes less time than adding it on..[/quote]
Sorry, Mongrel, but I could not disagree more. You seem to put "your" idiosyncrasies (not liking bulk mailings and free caps) over the overwhelming amount of support to our cause the NRA has given us.
That, to me, is posturing. (Nothing personal, really / no offence intended).
However, I really don't understand your priorities: not only do they have to support your rights, but they also have to do it "your" way?!
Sure, your idea to give an increasing amount of power to other pro-organizations is wonderful. But you almost seem to want the NRA to lose before that happens. And if that is not self-defeatism, I don't know what is.
I was in England when Tony Blair wiped out that country's gunrights with one stroke of a pen. I don't want that to happen here - and, sorry, but the NRA has built up a hell of a resume in preventing that, and I will give them not only my annual membership, but also frequent additional donations.
I like GOA, SAF, CCRKBA and other pro-organizations. But so far, the NRA is the only strong barrier between the Gores of the world and our guns. If you prefer any of them to the NRA, donate to them AS WELL.
Unless you think that your gun rights are not worth $35, a free ballcap and the trouble of a few bulk-mailings a month.
Again, no offence; just speaking my mind here.
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Private gun ownership is the capital sin in the left's godless religion. Crime is merely a venial mistake.
Check out these gals: www.sas-aim.org
Again, I was a member for years.But I'm not into free offers, a baseball cap..free mag..and then to bug me over and over for more. Mailings DO cost money,paper, printing, layout, postage.Removing my name from a list takes less time than adding it on..[/quote]
Sorry, Mongrel, but I could not disagree more. You seem to put "your" idiosyncrasies (not liking bulk mailings and free caps) over the overwhelming amount of support to our cause the NRA has given us.
That, to me, is posturing. (Nothing personal, really / no offence intended
). However, I really don't understand your priorities: not only do they have to support your rights, but they also have to do it "your" way?!
Sure, your idea to give an increasing amount of power to other pro-organizations is wonderful. But you almost seem to want the NRA to lose before that happens. And if that is not self-defeatism, I don't know what is.
I was in England when Tony Blair wiped out that country's gunrights with one stroke of a pen. I don't want that to happen here - and, sorry, but the NRA has built up a hell of a resume in preventing that, and I will give them not only my annual membership, but also frequent additional donations.
I like GOA, SAF, CCRKBA and other pro-organizations. But so far, the NRA is the only strong barrier between the Gores of the world and our guns. If you prefer any of them to the NRA, donate to them AS WELL.
Unless you think that your gun rights are not worth $35, a free ballcap and the trouble of a few bulk-mailings a month.
Again, no offence; just speaking my mind here.
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Private gun ownership is the capital sin in the left's godless religion. Crime is merely a venial mistake.
Check out these gals: www.sas-aim.org
Its not a matter of doing it "my way".I simply feel two things.
1.The NRA wastes the money I send it..They waste it by continually using mail and the phone to ask for more...all year...and when I ask them to stop(repeatedly) they don't care. My 35 bucks goes staight into asking me for more money.I dont consider it an idiosyncracy to want the money I give spent responsibly..any more than I want my tax money spent responsibly..With my tax money I can contact my reps..The NRA didnt care when I contacted them...So, thanks but no thanks
2.The NRA does not take a line to stop the erosion of the second amendment...the NRA I feel will compromise the second right out of existence. If they are the only group with power..at the rate theyre going , we will lose the second.
I do want people to support gun groups..But I dont like the idea of the way y'all seem to want to bully people into joining..If the NRA doesn't support what you feel..then give another group the money..
" Unless you think that your gun rights are not worth $35, a free ballcap and the trouble of a few bulk-mailings a month"
I can spend my 35 mailing letters...or taking people shooting that are gun control advocates...Each person can do what they want..
And I do.
1.The NRA wastes the money I send it..They waste it by continually using mail and the phone to ask for more...all year...and when I ask them to stop(repeatedly) they don't care. My 35 bucks goes staight into asking me for more money.I dont consider it an idiosyncracy to want the money I give spent responsibly..any more than I want my tax money spent responsibly..With my tax money I can contact my reps..The NRA didnt care when I contacted them...So, thanks but no thanks
2.The NRA does not take a line to stop the erosion of the second amendment...the NRA I feel will compromise the second right out of existence. If they are the only group with power..at the rate theyre going , we will lose the second.
I do want people to support gun groups..But I dont like the idea of the way y'all seem to want to bully people into joining..If the NRA doesn't support what you feel..then give another group the money..
" Unless you think that your gun rights are not worth $35, a free ballcap and the trouble of a few bulk-mailings a month"
I can spend my 35 mailing letters...or taking people shooting that are gun control advocates...Each person can do what they want..
And I do.
Look at us....you have to be kidding me. here we stand a house divided against itself. The point is a simple one, The NRA packs a BIG punch and it is frustrating the crap out of Clinton and his NEW and improved agenda to get MORE gun control BEFORE he leaves office. So is the GOA and the SAF is Countersuing on our behalf, all are worthy all need a membership to give them more clout. Join all three or more. But do not lightly dismiss the NRA since they are making the biggest impact and can influence the Big dogs to vote pro gun. I agree that there are issues that need to be addressed. You can do that when the NRA elections come around. Thosw 76 Million plus other Gunowners see and hear statements like these and do not know WHAT to think. so they chose to do nothing. We are our own worst enemy at times. I may not agree with everything but I support the NRA 100 %, I defend it when necessary and I encourage all my shooting and hunting friends to join. My next membership will be with the GOA and the SAF after that. We need to stop being devisive and work together for our common cause. Once we have removed the stick from our own eye we can go after the sliver in others. Encourage rather than discourage, joining more than one is all the better. Start with the NRA or Finish with the NRA But join. Remember All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing!
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...“ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” --Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
W]hereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it.
---Richard Henry Lee, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788
Take care and God Bless, El Jefe
The ANTI-HCI Site!
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...“ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” --Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
W]hereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it.
---Richard Henry Lee, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788
Take care and God Bless, El Jefe
The ANTI-HCI Site!
You guys have heard about the frog in the pot of boiling water, right?
Put him in hot water & he jumps out of the pot. Put him into slowly warming water & he boils to death.
All of the NRA's fighting for our rights, is just easing the transition. They recieve no thanks (or blame) from me, it's just the way things are.
Why don't I like the NRA? Because they don't understand the simple concept of. "Fight when you're strong, rest when you're weak."
"Know the stillness of freedom,
Where there is no more striving"
- The Dhamapadah
- Buddha 563-483 B.C.
Tony.
Put him in hot water & he jumps out of the pot. Put him into slowly warming water & he boils to death.
All of the NRA's fighting for our rights, is just easing the transition. They recieve no thanks (or blame) from me, it's just the way things are.
Why don't I like the NRA? Because they don't understand the simple concept of. "Fight when you're strong, rest when you're weak."
"Know the stillness of freedom,
Where there is no more striving"
- The Dhamapadah
- Buddha 563-483 B.C.
Tony.
The analogy of the frog and hot water is a good one and is what I see happening. Most on these boards praise the NRA because they are the largest and the most influential RKBA organization. Yet our rights continue to dwindle while the NRA compromises and most members are telling others to join and support them. I have said at various times that if I don't see a significant change after this election I don't intend to renew. I will always support RKBA organizations, but only those that are truly fighting to win and not to lose more slowly, which is what the NRA is doing. If we quit the NRA and joined GOA for instance then GOA would have the influence. I am not wedded to any man made organization including the NRA. Jerry
OK, you guys. I must understand this.
1) Do you really think that the NRA's sole purpose for existing is to slowly whittle away at our rights while we remain contented and unawares? Because I don't.
2) Do you really think that in order to support GOA you have to leave the NRA (what is this bizarre vow of "monogamy" anyway)? Because I don't.
3) Do you really think that the NRA has not done a lot of good to our cause by fighting for our rights in the past 30 years, in an increasingly hysterical climate of national and international gun-phobia? Because I don't.
4) Do you really believe that the NRA's modus operandi can't be influenced by more numerous and informed members (hence the frequent "join the NRA" exhortations by current members)? Because I don't.
5) Do you really believe that a weakened NRA would do our cause any good, ANY good whatsoever? Because I don't.
6) Do you really believe that when the NRA has "compromised", they have done so out of a conspiratorial agenda; and not in order to save us from losing an even greater battle at the bargaining table? Because I don't.
Gunowners around the World envy us for the political "teeth" of our National Rifle Association. Instead, we sanctimoniously dump on it, blaming them for lost battles, alleged fund-wasting and the occasional political compromise. And instead of jumping on board and trying to steer it and help it with our input, we throw our hands in the air, say "tchah!" and leave?
This really boggles my mind, because it looks to me that we are really looking to find faults and be defeated.
BTW, you "professional skeptics" consider this. The NRA has the endorsement of virtually all the "big gun business" (gun mag publishers, gun manufacturers and a heck of a lot of LARGE dealers): i.e. those whose very life depends on the survival of the Second Amendment.
Sure, these businesses also (note, "also") support GOA, SAF and others, no doubt. But first and foremost, the greatest majority of them support the NRA. Do you really believe that they are all a bunch of dunces, ready to be slowly boiled to death?
Because I don't.
[This message has been edited by 416Rigby (edited March 10, 2000).]
1) Do you really think that the NRA's sole purpose for existing is to slowly whittle away at our rights while we remain contented and unawares? Because I don't.
2) Do you really think that in order to support GOA you have to leave the NRA (what is this bizarre vow of "monogamy" anyway)? Because I don't.
3) Do you really think that the NRA has not done a lot of good to our cause by fighting for our rights in the past 30 years, in an increasingly hysterical climate of national and international gun-phobia? Because I don't.
4) Do you really believe that the NRA's modus operandi can't be influenced by more numerous and informed members (hence the frequent "join the NRA" exhortations by current members)? Because I don't.
5) Do you really believe that a weakened NRA would do our cause any good, ANY good whatsoever? Because I don't.
6) Do you really believe that when the NRA has "compromised", they have done so out of a conspiratorial agenda; and not in order to save us from losing an even greater battle at the bargaining table? Because I don't.
Gunowners around the World envy us for the political "teeth" of our National Rifle Association. Instead, we sanctimoniously dump on it, blaming them for lost battles, alleged fund-wasting and the occasional political compromise. And instead of jumping on board and trying to steer it and help it with our input, we throw our hands in the air, say "tchah!" and leave?
This really boggles my mind, because it looks to me that we are really looking to find faults and be defeated.
BTW, you "professional skeptics" consider this. The NRA has the endorsement of virtually all the "big gun business" (gun mag publishers, gun manufacturers and a heck of a lot of LARGE dealers): i.e. those whose very life depends on the survival of the Second Amendment.
Sure, these businesses also (note, "also") support GOA, SAF and others, no doubt. But first and foremost, the greatest majority of them support the NRA. Do you really believe that they are all a bunch of dunces, ready to be slowly boiled to death?
Because I don't.
[This message has been edited by 416Rigby (edited March 10, 2000).]
416Rigby,
I don't believe that the NRA leaders are stupid or that there is a conspiracy, etc. However, I must ask if you believe that the NRA has not compromised our rights away in many cases? I do. Do you believe that the NRA is regaining any rights that we have lost or that they have a plan to so? I don't. Do you believe it is OK to say enforce the laws we have? I don't. I object to many of those laws and I don't intend to make it seem that I will be satisfied to keep those laws on the books. Are you satisfied with the NRA's job the last few years? I am not. Do you believe that the NRA is going to change under the current leadership. I don't. So unless there is a change in that leadership I intend to put my resources in time and money into an organization that is more aggressive than the current NRA. I don't doubt your sincerity or dedication or motives. The same for the rest of you who disagree with me. We just see things differently. From the bully in the school yard to the anti's I have never found that you gain when you compromise in these things. They win a little and you lose a little. The frog in the warm and hot water is what is happening. Regards, Jerry
I don't believe that the NRA leaders are stupid or that there is a conspiracy, etc. However, I must ask if you believe that the NRA has not compromised our rights away in many cases? I do. Do you believe that the NRA is regaining any rights that we have lost or that they have a plan to so? I don't. Do you believe it is OK to say enforce the laws we have? I don't. I object to many of those laws and I don't intend to make it seem that I will be satisfied to keep those laws on the books. Are you satisfied with the NRA's job the last few years? I am not. Do you believe that the NRA is going to change under the current leadership. I don't. So unless there is a change in that leadership I intend to put my resources in time and money into an organization that is more aggressive than the current NRA. I don't doubt your sincerity or dedication or motives. The same for the rest of you who disagree with me. We just see things differently. From the bully in the school yard to the anti's I have never found that you gain when you compromise in these things. They win a little and you lose a little. The frog in the warm and hot water is what is happening. Regards, Jerry
MustangSally
New member
OK, I've read through this thread and now will share some of my own observations....
I agree that the NRA (especially its leadership) has some problems, but I joined anyway. Why? Because the situation in this country is serious, and it's time to make a stand. Also, the NRA is the largest pro-gun group that I know of, and they appear to have clout and the ability to fight for Second Amendment rights. Yes, it's true that they make more concessions than I'd like, but I believe that this trait is what also gives them the ability to successfully function in DC.
Most folks have witnessed the negative picture that the press (and others) paint of the NRA. Imagine what sort of image would be conjured up for the GOA or others? I'm not saying that it's right or accurate. All I'm saying is that the 'my way or the highway' stance doesn't help us achieve our ultimate goal.... retaining fully intact Second Amendment rights.
I think that the nail was hit on the head concerning the dedication of gun owners to fight for their rights. If the majority of gun owners would get off their collective rears, they would be a force to be reckoned with. At that point, organizations such as NRA, SAF, GOA, et cetera wouldn't be needed.
People.... the real battle is going to be won in the political arena. All the NRA is doing is fighting small skirmishes and trying to keep the dam from bursting. In order to really win this battle, gun owners must be prepared to put their actions where their mouths are. Run for office. Vote.
We had a pro-gun Senate candidate running in Ohio against a Republican, anti-gun incumbant. This candidate received 12% of the votes (to the incumbant's 79%). It was a pretty good showing for someone who was running on just one issue. Imagine what could happen if the candidate was pro-gun AND also expanded his/her platform to include other key issues? Imagine what would happen if every gun owner in Ohio voted for this person?
Maybe it's time for the pro-gun organizations to quit fighting amongst themselves and work together. Maybe it's time that they started putting their funds toward the development of viable political candidates. Maybe I'll keep hoping folks wake up and smell the coffee soon before it's too late.
I agree that the NRA (especially its leadership) has some problems, but I joined anyway. Why? Because the situation in this country is serious, and it's time to make a stand. Also, the NRA is the largest pro-gun group that I know of, and they appear to have clout and the ability to fight for Second Amendment rights. Yes, it's true that they make more concessions than I'd like, but I believe that this trait is what also gives them the ability to successfully function in DC.
Most folks have witnessed the negative picture that the press (and others) paint of the NRA. Imagine what sort of image would be conjured up for the GOA or others? I'm not saying that it's right or accurate. All I'm saying is that the 'my way or the highway' stance doesn't help us achieve our ultimate goal.... retaining fully intact Second Amendment rights.
I think that the nail was hit on the head concerning the dedication of gun owners to fight for their rights. If the majority of gun owners would get off their collective rears, they would be a force to be reckoned with. At that point, organizations such as NRA, SAF, GOA, et cetera wouldn't be needed.
People.... the real battle is going to be won in the political arena. All the NRA is doing is fighting small skirmishes and trying to keep the dam from bursting. In order to really win this battle, gun owners must be prepared to put their actions where their mouths are. Run for office. Vote.
We had a pro-gun Senate candidate running in Ohio against a Republican, anti-gun incumbant. This candidate received 12% of the votes (to the incumbant's 79%). It was a pretty good showing for someone who was running on just one issue. Imagine what could happen if the candidate was pro-gun AND also expanded his/her platform to include other key issues? Imagine what would happen if every gun owner in Ohio voted for this person?
Maybe it's time for the pro-gun organizations to quit fighting amongst themselves and work together. Maybe it's time that they started putting their funds toward the development of viable political candidates. Maybe I'll keep hoping folks wake up and smell the coffee soon before it's too late.
Mustangsally, we have to work to make the NRA even larger. A couple of years ago I paid the dues to sign up a friend. Now I'm going to do the same for my brother. Once you're in, and you start getting the mailings that some have complained about, you start to see what's really going on and get more involved. So, for $35 I can buy a good restaurant meal or I can get another person committed to the cause. The meal will be gone the next morning.
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Yes the NRA is good at building walls to protect our freedom. Those walls are being undercut & a huge shift in focus needs to take place in order to save them. The vast majority of poeple are somewhere in the middle when it comes to guns. Fear, ignorance, apathy, & propaganda are moving them over to the anti's side. By the time today's kids grow up, it will be a lost cause. The NRA is fighting yesterday's war. We need converts not congressmen.
"Know the stillness of freedom,
Where there is no more striving"
- The Dhamapadah
- Buddha 563-483 B.C.
Tony.
"Know the stillness of freedom,
Where there is no more striving"
- The Dhamapadah
- Buddha 563-483 B.C.
Tony.
I was a union steward for years(I know many
think about them like they do the NRA,but
again remember eveything needs balance,)
many of the employees dident want to join
most because of dues $20.00 month,however they would normally say it was because the union was "crooked" these same people would
run to my office at the first wrong the co.
did against them. Many of these I did defend.
However if gun owners dont join soon we wont
be gun owners any more. I was at a concealed
eapons class yesterday, I did not hear the
NRA spoke of, I ask the instructor why and he
said he never thought of it,he is a life time
member, but from now on he will and provide
applications for those that wish to sign up.
All I am saying in my simple way is talk to people(do it easy)we must be together on this.
thanks
think about them like they do the NRA,but
again remember eveything needs balance,)
many of the employees dident want to join
most because of dues $20.00 month,however they would normally say it was because the union was "crooked" these same people would
run to my office at the first wrong the co.
did against them. Many of these I did defend.
However if gun owners dont join soon we wont
be gun owners any more. I was at a concealed
eapons class yesterday, I did not hear the
NRA spoke of, I ask the instructor why and he
said he never thought of it,he is a life time
member, but from now on he will and provide
applications for those that wish to sign up.
All I am saying in my simple way is talk to people(do it easy)we must be together on this.
thanks
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