NRA ILA ALERT- Nevada discontinuing CCW reciprocity with Utah and Florida

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Due to be effective July 1st 2009. Boy, not much notice. I wonder if Ensign's weakened political position has enabled this to happen.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=5001

I wonder how long has this been in works, and who is responsible for these changes? I live in Nevada and I'm pretty active here. Perhaps I could make some calls. Sometimes these things can be headed off early. Once implemented, and allowed to stand for a while it becomes much more difficult. LET'S MAKE SOME NOISE!

It doesn't matter to me personally as I have a NV and Utah permit. I just hate to see ground lost on reciprocity.

If anyone needs to get Utah or Nevada CCW certification in the meantime, I can highly recommend Charles (Chuck) Bolding - NV and Utah certified LE and firearms instructor in the Las Vegas area. email: tapsccw@hotmail.com and phone 702-278-2914
 
Ensign was a senator. CCL reciprocity is a state, not federal issue. How would his current problems have anything to do with this?
 
He is still a Senator last time I checked. He only resigned from a leadership position. He is very pro-gun, is well liked, and he has (had) a lot of juice in the State. NV in many ways is like a small town. He could pick up the phone be very influential regardless of whether discussing a State or Federal issue.
 
Did those states drop reciprocity with Nevada?

It could be a since you won't recognze our permits we won't recognize yours thing.
 
It could be a since you won't recognze our permits we won't recognize yours thing.
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Fortunately, most states don't seem to play that way, especially Utah and Florida. NV seems to be following previously established policy, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
 
He is still a Senator last time I checked. He only resigned from a leadership position. He is very pro-gun, is well liked, and he has (had) a lot of juice in the State. NV in many ways is like a small town. He could pick up the phone be very influential regardless of whether discussing a State or Federal issue.
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Regardless, he is a senator, NOT a state legislator, Attorney General, nor Governor of Nevada. He has no authority in such matters and whatever has happened, is not his responsibility.
 
He has no authority, but he most certainly did have influence. He'll have it again, if the state Republican party can keep its head.

Utah was dropped because it has no live-fire requirement, which is asinine, since the Nevada shooting qual is buffoonishly easy. I could pass it blindfolded.

Florida was dropped because its permits are good for 7 years, as opposed to 5 for NV. Which makes sense because...

yeah, well... I mean...


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I doubt that this will last. Nevada's convention industry is suffering and they won't want to shoot their tourism industry in the foot.
 
Which makes sense because...

yeah, well... I mean...
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Yeah... I'm not sure how that one works either, and I'm the most liberal, pro-gun control person I've seen on this site.

This, BTW, is the reason for my support for a federally-recognized licence. My FL drivers licence is good in Nevada, so why isn't a FL CCW? I'm much more likely to get into a car accident than I am to shoot anyone!
 
Nevada's convention industry is suffering and they won't want to shoot their tourism industry in the foot.
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I very much doubt that this is anywhere on the convention authority's radar. The only show I can think of that this might possibly affect is SHOT. If conventions were a consideration we'd be the easiest state in the country to get a permit for, the AG would be working overtime to get non-resident reciprocity, no one would bother with UT or FL non-res permits anymore...
 
ImprobableJoe said:
My FL drivers licence is good in Nevada, so why isn't a FL CCW?
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Your drivers license is recognized by Nevada, exactly because of reciprocity. The feds have never, ever, been involved with this issue. It is and always has been a States "Rights" issue.
 
From a Nevada resident:


This wasn't the act of the legislature or any of our horny and stupid leaders (Senator Ensign and Govenor Gibbons both)...


The ability and responsibility of policy regarding CCW was passed from the legislature to the Department of Public Safety (basically, the branch that runs highway patrol/capitol police). It's their job to keep track and make the rules regarding CCW. They decided to drop UT due to their lack of live fire (and here I though the requirement of a weapon handling course would be similar enough)... FL I'm not so sure about, but if they don't have life fire then they're probably gone (I think I remember hearing a story about a guy passing permit tests with an airsoft gun....?)

The whole deal for Nevada to recognize another state's permit is that the state must have similar criteria for issuing a permit to our own. Hopefully public outcry and threats of lost tourism will sway the DPS to change their mind.



If you or your friends are out of state UT or FL permit holders, I plea with you to visit their website, http://dps.nv.gov, and leave them a message telling them how you are upset with their decision to change the rules. The reciprocity with these states has held for years, no reason to change it now.
 
I very much doubt that this is anywhere on the convention authority's radar.
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I don't disagree, but what I said was that with the convention industry hurting that Nevada can't afford to alienate tourists. That's the other part of the economic life blood of Nevada. Having narrowly escaped robbery once in Las Vegas I won't go back unarmed, and being a California resident I rely on my FL and UT non-resident permits. But it's no big deal in an economic down turn. Any excuse to not go there and blow money is a good excuse. ;)
 
Getting a NV permit is not difficult, and it gets you quite a few states with reciprocity. NV dropped two states, but added two.
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Yes, but the two states dropped are the two that people get so they can carry in the maximum number of states. That is, the two worst they could possibly have dropped. Most CCW classes in NV (in Vegas, anyway) include or offer UT and FL permit qualification; none that I'm aware of automatically offer any other states.

I don't disagree, but what I said was that with the convention industry hurting that Nevada can't afford to alienate tourists.
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And what I meant was that, if the convention authority (which takes its marching orders from the casinos) would get behind CCW reciprocity, the state coppers would buckle immediately, the NV Attorney General would craft reciprocity agreements with as many states as possible, as quickly as possible, and the NV non-resident permit would become the standard almost overnight. But I think it would be very difficult to demonstrate that the UT/FL permit issue is important to more than a tiny fraction of regular-Joe tourists. The big money players, of course, will carry guns if they want to and won't be hassled, just like they don't get hassled for hosting hookers-and-coke parties in their suites (and just like VIPs get issued carry permits in places like NYC and the People's Republic of North Kali, where average people who apply get laughed at).
 
Yes, but the two states dropped are the two that people get so they can carry in the maximum number of states. That is, the two worst they could possibly have dropped. Most CCW classes in NV (in Vegas, anyway) include or offer UT and FL permit qualification; none that I'm aware of automatically offer any other states.
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But even dropping UT and FLA, reciprocity with all the other states is unaffected. If you have NV and Utah, for example, you still have the same number of states covered, because NV dropped two and added two. If you have FLA, you have lost just one (NV). I don't like it either, but it's not the end of the world. All three of those states offer non-resident permits, BTW.
 
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