Aguila Blanca
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But stating that the government will require people to sell their guns "back" to the government or else the aforementioned government will come get 'em is rather an anti-gun position.Ben Dover said:
NRA Board Member Tom King speaks out against home built firearms
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I thought that was odd. Not that it couldn't happen but most criminals are not that dumb, and we are talking about some low hanging fruit out there.
NJgunowner
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I don't really mind the "need a serial #" part. I object to the "register" thing though. If the state/feds want to know that serial #123456 is an ar-15 more power to them, if they want to know I'm the one who owns it they've gone to far. Living in NJ and having to register handguns annoys the crap out of me even after 25 years of dealing with it.
Aguila Blanca
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If there's no need to register it ... what purpose does a serial number serve?
For one thing, it will identify it if it's stolen.
The serial number thing seems pointless on an AR, because you can buy every individual part except one as long as you have the money. You can then turn around and slap all those parts on to a board and make it fire.
You could also make a stolen rifle’s receiver look like an 80% job.
You could also make a stolen rifle’s receiver look like an 80% job.
Ben Dover said:
How?
If I make an 80% lower engrave a number into it, someone steals it and is later found to possess it, how would police know it was ever mine?
ATF do not take stolen arms reports from non-licensees. A lot of localities don't maintain a registry of stolen firearms.
A manufacturers serial number makes some sense for an item first sold exclusively through federal licensees who are obligated to keep individual transaction records. If the first contact a PD has with your homemade lower is recording its possession by someone held for a crime, they are not aware of any link to you unless there is a way to create that link for the PD first.
Aguila Blanca
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Good point.Ben Dover said:
NJgunowner
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If you ever decide to sell it down the road a serial number would probably make that easier to. None of the dealers around here will take a gun for consignment without a serial #. Don't know many people who'd buy one without it either... at least not if they are on the up and up.
If I really wanted a long gun and had money or drugs I guess I could buy one in private party sale off of an internet gun trader but it would be a lot cheaper to rob them if I can get them to meet me in a good location, maybe late in the evening and I bring some friends. I might trade drugs with someone I knew to be a criminal who had already burgled them.
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Maybe one of those children would do this.. They (23 yo) and driving a BMW w/ a wad of 100s in the trunk along w/ several guns and a supply of several drugs-all imported and being sold to US citizens.
Several of said citizens would overdose on the imported drugs and now we have an "opioid epidemic" on our hands. Arthritic and patients awaiting joint implants will have a hexx of a time trying to control their pain.
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Maybe one of those children would do this.. They (23 yo) and driving a BMW w/ a wad of 100s in the trunk along w/ several guns and a supply of several drugs-all imported and being sold to US citizens.
Several of said citizens would overdose on the imported drugs and now we have an "opioid epidemic" on our hands. Arthritic and patients awaiting joint implants will have a hexx of a time trying to control their pain.
Geezerbiker
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How do you know the guy that used it in a crime is the one that put it together? It could just as well be stolen...
Tony
NJgunowner
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When a gun gets stolen the first thing police ask for is the serial #. My cousins house was broken into last year and they stole a bunch of his guns. The police recovered 90% of them because he was smart enough to have the serial #'s written down. They recovered one from a gun show, one from a pawn shop, and 3 others when someone tried to use one in a crime. They were all returned in 90 days or less. Out of the 6 guns stolen only one is still missing. So yeah, serial numbers aren't a bad thing. Also comes in handy if you have defect that the manufacturer will cover under warranty (complete guns obviously).
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2ndsojourn
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^^^
NJG,
Are your cousins nj residents? I'm surprised that the polizei returned them.
NJG,
Are your cousins nj residents? I'm surprised that the polizei returned them.
NJgunowner
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Na, he's in Missouri. Said the local PD were really good about getting his property back to him. In NJ it would have ended up being melted into paper weights or ended up going missing from the evidence lock up 
This is very misleading. National Crime Information Center (NCIC) — FBI maintains a national registry of stolen guns. Every police department in the US reports stolen guns to them, if they can.
The big problem is that people leave their guns in unlocked cars and kids just come by and take them. The same person that is that lazy and irresponsible of a gun owner is also the same guy who has no idea what the serial number is. So when his gun is stolen the odds of getting it back are virtually zero.
I had a friend who had a burglary seven years ago and his rifle turned up in a drug dealer's stash two states away. He got the gun back.
Tom King is not the first NRA board member to shill for gun control.
Anyone remember when NRA board member and Texas Ranger Joaquin Jackson jumped before the bright lights and shilled for an "assault weapons ban? Yep, NRA members made excuses for Jackson's gaffe and re-elected him to the NRA board.
Anyone remember when NRA board member and Texas Ranger Joaquin Jackson jumped before the bright lights and shilled for an "assault weapons ban? Yep, NRA members made excuses for Jackson's gaffe and re-elected him to the NRA board.