NRA approved gun confiscation

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I`M CONCERNED WITH THESE PEOPLE WHO WILL VOTE THIRD PARTY JUST BECAUSE THAT`S THEIR PARTY...

I'm more concerned with people who will stubbornly vote for the GOP for the same reason, despite the FACT that the GOP has sold you down the river a NUMBER of times. Who is the bigger fool?

WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, AND WE LOSE OUR ASSES, AND WE ARE LOOKING AROUND AT EACH OTHER IN SHOCK, ASKING HOW THIS COULD OF HAPPENED, DON`T LOOK ME STRAIGHT IN THE FACE, BECAUSE I`M GOING TO WANT TO PUKE!!!

I am, too. But I am going to want to puke because Bush will win, he will leave gun owners out in the cold, and you will STILL cry to rally around him in 2004 because whomever the Democrats offer "would be worse".
 
Patriots do not stand in the company of traitors!

Then how can you POSSIBLY be talking about voting Republican? At least the Democrats tell you up front that they are going to take your guns. Are the Pubbies somehow "better" because they lie about it?

Give me a break. You are talking about small degrees of difference on this issue between Gore and Bush, not some wide chasm.
 
That's why I call them "Republicrats"! Unfortunately because of the Second Amendment issue, I will have to cast my vote for GB. As a card carrying Libertarian, This really goes against my principals. Our day will come, however.

Frenchy

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Donnez-moi la liberté, ou donnez-moi la mort!
 
Frenchy, I think your support of Dubya is correct this year, and I too hope the Lib's time will come.

All: my response on catching the fraud above was too strong. There was indeed fraud afoot, but it's by no means clear or even likely that Ruger45 was the perp :). So my initial harsh tone has been chopped out; I write this to make it clear I'm not trying to "hide" my initial strong response. Go take another look, I've completely re-written it.

In short, I wasn't wrong to condemn fraud, and I still want to know who did it - but I jumped on Ruger45 too soon if at all, and I really hope he helps sort out who the real perp is. Whoever did this ultimately hurt Ruger45's rep as much as anybody's.

As to the NRA: you can condemn all you want, but given the number of "traitor GOPs" they've done one hell of a job fending off the post-Columbine flood of BS that came down the pipe. And fighting against an all-Dem governor, senate and assembly in Calif, they still managed to fend off a nasty bill ending state gun law preemption last year that would have made "gun free hellholes" out of SF, LA, Bezerkeley and many other towns...of the "big three" gun bans last year, that was the worst.

The sooner this rift between the GOA/JPFO types and the NRA ends, the better off we'll be. That's why the fraud Ruger45 inadvertantly spread pissed me off so badly.

Jim
 
Thank you, Jim. Nicely done. :)

I'd like to hear from ruger45 and I hope he finds his source. *Somebody* hacked-up this WND story and I think that ruger45 is the only one who can help us try and find out who it was.

Thanks to all who help us stay on The High Road.

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Except for Hamilton County until August 11th.
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Bob Locke,

I don't know who you're trying to fool, but the Republicans have stood up to IMMENSE PRESSURE by the anti-gun crowd and the public-at-large to prevent a LANDSLIDE of gun control laws from coming down the pike. It must be working too, because the Klinton administration is trying to rule by executive order now (a.k.a. the Smith&Wesson deal) rather than approach gun control through congress. You talk a good talk, Bob, but what have the Libs really done on the gun control issue in this country? Could you show me a bill or a piece of legislation that the majority Lib party has passed? The fact is, like it or not, no Lib candidate for president has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the election THIS YEAR. Therefore, if Mr. Browne knows he cannot win, but wants to run anyway, at the expense of Mr. Bush's support base, that tells me three things: 1) He wouldn't make a good president because he is not grounded in reality, 2) He doesn't give a rat's a$$ for the second amendment, or he wouldn't try to pull the legs out from under our best chance to win this year, and 3) He's power hungry and wants to run to further his political career. Therefore, I stand by my statement. If you want to be a patriot this year, you swallow your pride and do everything POSSIBLE to keep your right to keep and bear arms. If you squander your vote in a horserace, and Gore wins, you're a traitor to the second amendment in my book. Strong words, yes, but that is what I believe. If in the future, the Libs have a chance of winning, I would consider that candidate. This year, it's not going to happen. And if they EVER want to win, they'd better reform their planks. Legalized drugs? You'd have a better chance of that passing in Cuba than here!
 
Texas I will be getting back to you on that
'republicans'stood up thing I have a very different opinoin on that one.
but in the meantime ... Jim hears the part from my post
1Attorney Ralph Sherman, chairman of Connecticut's pro-gun "Gunsafe" group acknowledged that the search and seizure provision, which he opposes, did result from a compromise on the total gun bill the NRA supported....>>>
Here's the part you found on line and posted here please point out the many differences.
2."Attorney Ralph Sherman, chairman of Connecticut's pro-gun "Gunsafe" group acknowledged that the search and seizure provision, which he opposes, did result from a compromise on the total gun bill the NRA supported>>>>>

I have not had time to find the actualy newsletter of mine it seems the part of this that use to be on the online GOA newsletter is no longer accesible.
As you show me the differences in the two posts feel free to overlook my post and simply view it as a gross error on my part.
IF they didnt support they didnt
but they no one was disputing that were they
only that their was a suger ending with the
poisonous beginning.
And Jim you are so right about NRA
and the JPFO/GOA types needing to work out their differences lets look at some of those in my next forwarded post.
And as always if looking for something to do
look below. www.jpfo.org
only group working to bring out g.c.'s racist roots www.gunowners.org
gunfree what? www.jbs.org
only lobby working to get us out of the UN www.citizensofamerica.org
 
It is obvious WestTexas, That a third party candidate hasn't a chance of winning this presidential election. It is also obvious that a Republican victory may save some of our 2nd. Amendment rights.......for awhile! In the process, "Big Government" will continue to erode more and more of our other precious rights no matter which Republicrat gets in.

This is a "Pro Firearms" forum, and as such we tend to look at a single issue. Harry Browne along with the other 3rd. party candidates have to look at ALL the issues that effect the citizens of our country. You suggest Mr. Browne should pull out because of the adverse effect he would have on the Bush campaign. Don't you think that would be a little short sighted on his part? Don't you think that the voter has a right to hear ALL of the opinions on the issues, and vote on those issues. Last time I checked, that's what we're all about!

Frenchy

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Bonsoir, M. Frenchy. Pour la confrérie et la liberté, nous sommes ici! ;)

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
 
Bonsoir, Dennis. Liberté, égalité, fraternité pour tous!

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Ruger45, the reason I originally got overly excited on catching the discrepancy was that the edits strongly discredited the NRA in specific ways, and radically changed Ralph Sherman's words.

The version you posted had Ralph complaining about the NRA. The unaltered version shows Ralph as an ally of the NRA, who along with them gained a partial victory along with a setback, in a largely Democrat state where even that isn't easy.

And that was the *only* major alteration. It slandered Ralph more than anybody.

Then combine that with the title YOU gave: "NRA approved gun confiscation".

You REALLY wanna let that stand pat? I mean, me, I'd be more concerned with my reputation than you're displaying...

Jim
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Frenchy:
Bonsoir, Dennis. Liberté, égalité, fraternité pour tous!

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Careful, guys; there are those out there who consider the French Revolution to be largely an exercise in simple class cleansing, as opposed to an achievement in liberty, equality, and brotherhood... Robespierre was a seriously bloodthirsty egalitarian...

But I digress. As George Santayana said, "Those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to relearn them." Have we learned nothing from the novel, but futile, 3rd party candidacy of Ross Perot? I agree that a 3rd party would be key to having an actual choice in candidates, but let's be real. When Harry Brown says the Libertarians can elect a President by the end of the decade, that's a clue (a very large, very loud clue) that now is not the time to be putting our eggs in that basket.

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Scott

When A annoys or injures B on the pretext of saving or improving X, A is a scoundrel. - H. L. Mencken
 
WestTexas,

If more people had dealt with "reality" through this nation's history, we'd still be answering to the Crown.

And where did I ever say that I was voting for Harry Browne? He is on my short list, but I have never once declared my vote is his. I will vote my conscience, and be done with it.

I don't know who you're trying to fool, but the Republicans have stood up to IMMENSE PRESSURE by the anti-gun crowd and the public-at-large to prevent a LANDSLIDE of gun control laws from coming down the pike.

It could just as easily be argued that they bowed to IMMENSE PRESSURE from the pro-gun crowd, but STILL allowed additional infringements on our rights. If I put a gun to your head and demand $20, and you only have $10, have I still stolen from you if I take that? You are failing to comprehend that the difference between the two parties is measured in feet, not miles.

You talk a good talk, Bob, but what have the Libs really done on the gun control issue in this country? Could you show me a bill or a piece of legislation that the majority Lib party has passed?

You know well that I cannot. Now, would you like for me to speak to the myriad of freedom-robbing bills that the Republicans HAVE passed? Are you sure you want to go there? I suggest you give it serious consideration.

Therefore, if Mr. Browne knows he cannot win, but wants to run anyway, at the expense of Mr. Bush's support base, that tells me three things: 1) He wouldn't make a good president because he is not grounded in reality, 2) He doesn't give a rat's a$$ for the second amendment, or he wouldn't try to pull the legs out from under our best chance to win this year, and 3) He's power hungry and wants to run to further his political career.

You are wrong on at least 1 and 2 above. As to 3, can you name more than a handful of politicians who AREN'T power-hungry? Your boy Bush would CERTAINLY be at or near the top of that list. Once again, I suggest that you contemplate things a little more before you post them.

Going back to the 2nd amendment question, how does it make you feel that Bush has promised to extend the "assault weapon" ban, and advocates making it a federal law that you must be 21 to buy a handgun? I thought he was on our side! Can you defend his positions, or do you not know them?

If you want to be a patriot this year, you swallow your pride and do everything POSSIBLE to keep your right to keep and bear arms.

You are talking about degrees, once again. Electing Bush will NOT allow you to "keep" your RKBA. He has advocated MORE gun control than already exists! I will grant that Gore is talking about more stringent measures than Bush, but neither is talking about getting the government out of the gun-grabbing business.

[This message has been edited by Bob Locke (edited July 24, 2000).]
 
Sehr geehrte Herr Gewehr,
:D Let me get back on firmer linquistic footing then!
For the "RKBA" brotherhood and liberty, we are here.

How's that? (pause) Oh oh. I omitted the fairer gender. Now I'm in more trouble than before! :D Okay. Let me try once more!

For the RKBA Community! We are HERE!!

In other words, folks. We're all supposed to be on the same side. Whether we play around with English, French, German, Russian, Hindustani, or any other language - with the possible exception of "bureaucratese"! :D

If we let ourselves become divided by subtopics (important as they may be), we will surely lose the meager remains of our Constitution and the Republic we once had.

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
 
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