Turn In Your Neighbor" Law Allows Gun Confiscation Without Crime By Edward G. Oliver Ominously dubbed the "turn in your neighbor" law, a new Connecticut gun control provision -- which proponents predicted would be rarely used -- has already resulted in police seizing firearms and ammunition from four gun owners since Oct. 1when the law took effect.
Hailed as groundbreaking by gun control advocates, the law reportedly opens up a new frontier for gun laws in the coming election season.
As originally written, the provision would have allowed seizure of firearms by police based on unproven allegations by any two persons in an affidavit to a judge. The language was later modified to require that two police officers or a state's attorney go before a judge with the belief, after investigation, that an individual "poses a risk of imminent personal injury to himself or herself or to other individuals," in order to obtain a warrant to seize the subject's firearms. No crime needs to have been committed for the seizure to take place.
Alleged threatening behavior, cruelty to animals, alcohol and drug abuse or prior confinement in a psychiatric facility can be considered by a judge in assessing whether an individual poses an imminent risk of danger....
Thompson Bosee, of Greenwich, Conn., had his guns and ammunition seized by police on Oct. 29 under the new law. Bosee told WorldNetDaily he suspects that a neighbor, with whom he has had words regarding the neighbor's driving on Bosee's property, might have reported him.
"They had a warrant for my guns, they arrested my guns," said Bosee. A member of both the NRA and the American Gunsmithing Association, Bosee said he works on his guns in his garage and is not ashamed of it. Police simultaneously served a "failure to appear" warrant from an eight-year-old traffic charge.
Although Greenwich Police would not comment, they released a list of the guns and ammunition they seized from Bosee, including six handguns, three rifles, one shotgun, one submachine gun and 3,108 rounds of ammunition.
A spokeswoman from Handgun Control Inc. told WorldNetDaily,
The gun lobby likes to use scare tactics in order to frighten people away from any kind of reasonable gun control laws. We support the law. It has to meet a pretty strict standard, we feel it is in the general interest of the person themselves as well as the general public. We think there should be an outlet for families to say, 'Look, my sister or my cousin is showing signs of losing it, we know he has a gun, we want to make sure he can't hurt himself or others.' They should have that option. Asked if HCI would like to see the law in other states, she answered, "If other states want a similar law, we certainly would support it."
To many, the "gun lobby" means the National Rifle Association. However, a spokesman described the NRA's position on the issue to WorldNetDaily only as "neutral."
But Jerry Tramontano of the Gun Owners of America, likened the provision, which was tacked onto an instant check bill, to the proverbial camel's nose under the tent. The GOA has been a long-standing opponent of instant check, he told WorldNetDaily, believing it amounts to a national registration database.
Lamenting what he sees as a lukewarm defense of the Second Amendment in Connecticut, he said, "Look what happens when you're willing to compromise a little -- you get a lot," adding that one of the law's victims is already planning a constitutional challenge.
Attorney Ralph Sherman, chairman of Connecticut's pro-gun "Gunsafe" group acknowledged that the search and seizure provision, which he opposes, did result from a compromise on the total gun bill the NRA supported....
The so-called "turn in your neighbor" provision allows for the issuance of a search warrant without the necessity of meeting the basic constitutional requirement of probable cause, said Sherman.
Probable cause, he explained, means there must be good reason to believe that the items being searched for are connected to a crime -- not just a general feeling that somebody might commit a crime someday.
The law's cruelty to animals justification for gun seizure scares him the most. "If I throw a rock or a newspaper at a dog in my yard or in my garden, that doesn't mean I'm mentally unbalanced. What if a neighbor doesn't like me and sees that?"
The law also violates the due process principle, Sherman said, which establishes that a suspect is innocent until proven guilty. . . .
Joe Graborz, Executive Director of the Connecticut Civil Liberties Union, an affiliate of the ACLU, told WorldNetDaily the law "continues to invest unusual and far-reaching powers in police authority that does not belong there" by requiring "police to act as psychologists in trying to predict and interpret behavior."
He said the warrant can be issued on just the complaint of two police officers, without the need for anything more as far as suspicion of a crime having been committed.
"What is the standard of proof on this, where the police authority acting as the government [can] violate your right to be safe and sound from undue interference in your own home? The way this law is written, it can and will be easily abused by police."
Reprinted with permission of the Internet newspaper WorldNetDaily.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"Largest and most effective gun lobby" yeah we see that but effective at what. Is this the kindve reprasentation you want in the senate and congress? and this is what you call a powerful gun lobby? Just kinda makes me proud NOT to be a member. Agian this is directed to all NRA members not anyone in particular.
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Hailed as groundbreaking by gun control advocates, the law reportedly opens up a new frontier for gun laws in the coming election season.
As originally written, the provision would have allowed seizure of firearms by police based on unproven allegations by any two persons in an affidavit to a judge. The language was later modified to require that two police officers or a state's attorney go before a judge with the belief, after investigation, that an individual "poses a risk of imminent personal injury to himself or herself or to other individuals," in order to obtain a warrant to seize the subject's firearms. No crime needs to have been committed for the seizure to take place.
Alleged threatening behavior, cruelty to animals, alcohol and drug abuse or prior confinement in a psychiatric facility can be considered by a judge in assessing whether an individual poses an imminent risk of danger....
Thompson Bosee, of Greenwich, Conn., had his guns and ammunition seized by police on Oct. 29 under the new law. Bosee told WorldNetDaily he suspects that a neighbor, with whom he has had words regarding the neighbor's driving on Bosee's property, might have reported him.
"They had a warrant for my guns, they arrested my guns," said Bosee. A member of both the NRA and the American Gunsmithing Association, Bosee said he works on his guns in his garage and is not ashamed of it. Police simultaneously served a "failure to appear" warrant from an eight-year-old traffic charge.
Although Greenwich Police would not comment, they released a list of the guns and ammunition they seized from Bosee, including six handguns, three rifles, one shotgun, one submachine gun and 3,108 rounds of ammunition.
A spokeswoman from Handgun Control Inc. told WorldNetDaily,
The gun lobby likes to use scare tactics in order to frighten people away from any kind of reasonable gun control laws. We support the law. It has to meet a pretty strict standard, we feel it is in the general interest of the person themselves as well as the general public. We think there should be an outlet for families to say, 'Look, my sister or my cousin is showing signs of losing it, we know he has a gun, we want to make sure he can't hurt himself or others.' They should have that option. Asked if HCI would like to see the law in other states, she answered, "If other states want a similar law, we certainly would support it."
To many, the "gun lobby" means the National Rifle Association. However, a spokesman described the NRA's position on the issue to WorldNetDaily only as "neutral."
But Jerry Tramontano of the Gun Owners of America, likened the provision, which was tacked onto an instant check bill, to the proverbial camel's nose under the tent. The GOA has been a long-standing opponent of instant check, he told WorldNetDaily, believing it amounts to a national registration database.
Lamenting what he sees as a lukewarm defense of the Second Amendment in Connecticut, he said, "Look what happens when you're willing to compromise a little -- you get a lot," adding that one of the law's victims is already planning a constitutional challenge.
Attorney Ralph Sherman, chairman of Connecticut's pro-gun "Gunsafe" group acknowledged that the search and seizure provision, which he opposes, did result from a compromise on the total gun bill the NRA supported....
The so-called "turn in your neighbor" provision allows for the issuance of a search warrant without the necessity of meeting the basic constitutional requirement of probable cause, said Sherman.
Probable cause, he explained, means there must be good reason to believe that the items being searched for are connected to a crime -- not just a general feeling that somebody might commit a crime someday.
The law's cruelty to animals justification for gun seizure scares him the most. "If I throw a rock or a newspaper at a dog in my yard or in my garden, that doesn't mean I'm mentally unbalanced. What if a neighbor doesn't like me and sees that?"
The law also violates the due process principle, Sherman said, which establishes that a suspect is innocent until proven guilty. . . .
Joe Graborz, Executive Director of the Connecticut Civil Liberties Union, an affiliate of the ACLU, told WorldNetDaily the law "continues to invest unusual and far-reaching powers in police authority that does not belong there" by requiring "police to act as psychologists in trying to predict and interpret behavior."
He said the warrant can be issued on just the complaint of two police officers, without the need for anything more as far as suspicion of a crime having been committed.
"What is the standard of proof on this, where the police authority acting as the government [can] violate your right to be safe and sound from undue interference in your own home? The way this law is written, it can and will be easily abused by police."
Reprinted with permission of the Internet newspaper WorldNetDaily.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"Largest and most effective gun lobby" yeah we see that but effective at what. Is this the kindve reprasentation you want in the senate and congress? and this is what you call a powerful gun lobby? Just kinda makes me proud NOT to be a member. Agian this is directed to all NRA members not anyone in particular.
Patriot.45
www.gunowners.org
www.jbs.org
leave the Un bring our troops home
------------------
"those who sacrifice
liberty for security deserve neither"