Now is the time to motivate those who are disgusted with Partial Birth Abortions.

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In case you haven't heard, yesterday the Supreme Court struck down Nebraska's ban on partial birth abortions. In a 4 to 5 ruling the Court in essence said that the law as written was too vague and would allow for the banning of almost all third trimester abortions. Sandra Day O'Conner, after voting to strike down the ban, said that a less vague law that had exemptions for the life and health of the mother would be Constitutional.

Lest you think this post is about abortion, it is not. The enemy of my enemy is my friend! Al Gore is for partial birth abortions. Whether you are pro-life or not, most people are sickened by the thought of partial birth abortions and this can be used to our advantage in beating Al Gore come November.

The Supreme Court's decision yesterday should be a wake up call to pro-lifers and even to those on the "choice" side who support some restrictions on abortion that we can use to our advantage. This can be used to get them to register to vote and to vote for Bush who is against partial birth abortions.

Think about it!

Joe

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[This message has been edited by nralife (edited June 29, 2000).]
 
Those who have no respect for human life in and out of the womb, in many cases, bear the same philosophy to self defense.

Innocents of all ages must be protected. Let us vote to change this climate and morbid society.
 
IZZY, I'm not saying this to you specificaly, but to everybody. In order to not get this thread locked. Let's not debate the moral issues of abortion, but only about how we can all work together to defeat Al Gore and the Democrats this fall. :)

Thanks,
Joe
 
I honestly don't believe people know what partial birth abortion is. The right to lifers should do some VERY EXPLICITE tv comertials on it during prime time hours.
 
nralife,
Locked or not the issue of abortion is the most important issue in this nation at this time. It seems it is OK to say that it is every woman's right to choose, but it isn't OK to discuss the immorality of the murder of unborn children. That's precisely what abortion is. At first it was said that during the first three months that it wasn't yet a child. Then that was changed to the second trimester. Finally we have seen that the pro-abortion folks don't care whether it is or isn't. If it is inconvenient to let it be born then they say kill the child. No one can honestly argue that partial birth abortion is not murder of a child. George Will's column a day or so ago stated that during one of the abortion debates on the Senate floor that "Pennsylvania Republican Rick Santorum asked Democrats Russ Feingold of Wisconsin and Frank Lautenberg of New Jersy this: Suppose the infant, instead of being just almost delivered, with only a few inches of skull remaining in the birth canal, slips entirely out of the canal. Is killing the born baby still a "choice"? Fiengold and Lautenberg said it was still a matter between the mother and her abortionist. (C-SPAN captured this exchange, The Congressiohnal Record was subseqently falsified.)" Now they sanction murder. How is it that so many on these very forums in discussing guns make a point that they believe that people are responsible for their actions and yet say that it is a mother's right to choose to murder the child she and a man conceived. Doesn't that show an incredible lack of responsibility? This isn't meant as a flame toward you, but the moral issues reflect the very soul of the nation, and RKBA will fall if the school shootings continue as they surely will unless we can reverse the immorality of this nation. Jerry

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Ecclesiastes 12:13  ¶Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14  For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
 
People do not like me when I talk about abortion. It is the only subject that can get me near physical anger. I see it as murder plain and simple. There are gray areas where the mothers life is in danger. but outside of that it is plain and simple, unjustifiable murder. Sorry babe. You spread em and do it them pay the piper. If I get a woman preagnant I would do the right thing. And the right thing is not telling her to Kill the child. My apologies to anyone here who I have offended. But this and the RKBa are two issues I will not back down on. Abortion is not a choice, it is murder. The child is not given a choice.. Abortion is Rape.. The rape of an innocent life..
 
A thought concerning the "If your against abortion, dont have one" arguement, What if your "against slavery"?

Is that it? Can I keep a slave in my basement or perhaps engage in the commerce of slavery if it is between those that consent? I didnt think so.
 
I was going to stay out of the abortion debate but some Democrats ARE for murder!!!


In George Will's column the other morning he said that Pennsylvania Republican Rick Santorum asked Democrats Russ Feingold of Wisconsin and Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey this: Suppose during an attempted partial-birth abortion the infant, instead of being just almost delivered, with only a few inches of skull remaining in the birth canal, slips entirely out of the canal. Is killing the born baby still a "choice"? Feingold and Lautenberg said it was still a matter between the mother and her abortionist. (C-SPAN captured this exchange, The Congressional Record was subsequently falsified.)

This is unbelievable! Doesn't this show how evil can creep in a little at a time? One small step and it doesn't seem so bad. Then just a little more and that isn't really any worse. Now we have come to the point that some of our elected "leaders" (which happen to be Democrats) in the highest offices in the nation support and fight for murder of a child. If this nation hasn't reached the reprobate status then I don't know what will happen next. How about murder of your grandparents or parents because it is inconvenient to take care of them? Or because it causes the children stress and they need to get on with their lives?

For God's sake and for our own, please don't do ANYTHING that will help Al Gore or the Democrats in this fall's elections!!! Choice is one thing, but murder is murder!!!


Joe


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The term "partial birth" (sic) abortion does not apear in any medical textbook. It is a term invented by the Kristian anti-civilrights people.
 
Abortion discussions are no-win situations for the RKBA debate. I wish we wouldn't do them.

There are other forums for this.

It just turns into a raving mess.
 
Regardless of the side of this issue that you are on, as RKBAers I think we should realize that this issue is the NUMBER ONE issue that we will lose the white house on.

I mean NUMBER ONE.

The next president might appoint up to 4 justices. Anyone who is "pro choice" sees this as a threat to their personal beliefs. The Republicans have coopted the "pro life" side of the equation and as such marginalized all those who feel otherwise.

Just as we feel strongly that just a *little* registration is a step toward losing our freedoms, so do the "pro-choice" feel that just a *little* restriction in abortions is a step towards them losing there freedoms.

There are only two ways RKBA will survive in this country. The first is that it becomes a MAINSTREAM issue, not bogged down through association to a fringe element REGARDLESS of the fringe. The second is cival war.

Thats it. Either RKBA becomes socially acceptable by the masses (including pro-choicers) or we have to fight to keep it. Now who here really wants to fight the US Government? Go watch Patriot. Even if your cause is just, there is always a personal toll to be paid in your families.

I say lets STOP marginalizing our position and MOVE RKBA to the mainstream. Lets not have THIS issue associated with ANY controversial issue EXCEPT your Constitutional Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

J.T.


As usual FWIW, IMHO, YMMV and all that
 
This SC decision disappointed me in more ways than one. The first, obviously, has to do with the decision at hand. But, secondly, the timing of the hearing of this case could not be worse. Until now the idea of the next president appointing Supreme Court justices was not one that lit the fires under most people. The Gore camp is already exploiting the close decision as a reason to vote Gore.
This will put pressure on Bush from both sides. If Bush is going to win the vast middle, he'll need to adopt a very soft stance on abortion and possibly pick a pro-choice running mate. To do that, though, he'll need a nod-and-a-wink agreement with the pro-life groups. Whether that can happen is unknowable. It would seem that the Supremes have put Bush in a tight spot. Of course, Gore can have it both ways, because he has "evolved." :mad:

Dick
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As troubling as it may seem the abortion issue is indirectly tangled with the RKBA issue in the United States- through the Constitution. In the one case, abortion, the court inventized a right. Yep, read the Constitution, abortion is certainly not the sort of issue that the Federal government was supposed to deal with and is no way mentioned in the Constitution. Instead the Court felt there were "emanations and penumbras" from some of the other amendments and somehow indirectly through the 14th, whom no one knows what it means, not even those who wrote it. Basically the court ruled that since they thought abortion was a good thing it was a Constitutional right.

On the other hand the same Court apparently doesn't like the 2nd amendment, so they ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist even when the feds openly violate it. Can you imagine how different the country would be today if the court took the 2nd amendment right half as seriously as the invented right to abortion?

That's the position we are in today. The only hope is to get Supreme Court justices that will follow the Constitution and not make things up because they like them. That would mean restoration of the second amendment and overturning Roe. The abortion issue would kick back to the states where there would be plenty of fighting left to continue.

This is the problem. This issue is contentious but I still have to take issue with those that say, I think abortion is a good option therefore I agree with Roe. That isn't the way the Constitution is supposed to work. The federal government isn't supposed to have unlimited powers to settle all contentious issues. They are supposed to have a few limited powers and everything else is fought out at the State and local levels.
 
It's legal these days to vacuum a kid's brains out of his skull if he has a single toe in the birth canal. Pete Singer, of PETA, has advocated that abortions be allowed for up to 28 days after birth.

It's obvious that the issue is no longer when life begins but an insane denial of or callous indifference to the existence of life. We have, by sanctioning abortion, created a class of disposable human beings. Who's next?
No one's safe any more. Not the waiting to be born or the already born. Personal inconvenience sanctions therapeutic killing. This is not a matter of an individual's right to choose but the arbitrary usurpation of anyone's right to life. This theoretically justifies and practically enables the ethics of "might makes right,"
We have become a society of psychopaths and killers. Only the strong can survive.
 
Keeping a child may be the worst thing for some people. Moral or not it is not my desire to impose my will upon someone over this issue. Maybe if there were better adoption options but on the otherside of the issue is the fact that we are abusing the available planetary resources. Perhaps investigating keeping babies from being concieved is a better solution.

I have heard that sewage treatment plants see a fair number of fetuses. There are alot of non doctor abortions in the USA.

dZ
 
"Keeping a child may be the worst thing for some people."
And this sanctions murder?
Zola said that he would not be silent for he refused to be an accomplice.
 
No right to life-no rights period. If it is alright to murder innocent unborn children it is alright to murder Jews, Christians, gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, Slavs, Poles,Cambodians, Kurds, Rawandians, Albanians, Serbs, Arabs, Israelies, Davidians, me.......maybe your next
 
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