November election a formality?

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HukeOKC

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Houndawg wrote in a reply to my other topic:

I work with a guy that is convinced that Gore has already won the election. He believes that the whole election system is a scam and the general election in November is just a formality to appease the public.
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Please tell me this is not true or give me some insight. Thanks.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HukeOKC:
Houndawg wrote in a reply to my other topic:

I work with a guy that is convinced that Gore has already won the election. He believes that the whole election system is a scam...[/quote]

Don't believe this nonsense. Voters have surprised the so-called "experts" on more then one occasion.
Your friend has an opinion, but the "elite" don't control everything...
Just remember to vote!
 
Two words - Electoral College. We are a Republic not a true democracy. When you and I vote that is the "popular" vote which can and has differed from the "electoral" vote which puts the President in office.

The electors for an area cast their vote, which is suppose to represent the areas majority. Check out
http://www.nara.gov/fedreg/ec-hmpge.html

for more info on the Electoral college, accounting of elector votes vs popular,etc.
BTW read the procedures sections for this quote "No Constitutional provision or Federal law requires electors to vote in accordance with the popular vote in their State"

I have heard that an electoral vote, in an area was way off compared to the popular vote.

So my philosophy is vote how you feel, it will not affect the electoral vote. But if there is a big margin between the popular vote and electoral vote then maybe someone will notice and say "what a minute...."




[This message has been edited by hawkgt (edited April 19, 2000).]
 
Well, I don't think it's a formality, but I do think Gore will win by a wide margin. Don't get me wrong - I'm voting Bush - but I just think the general public and the media love Clinton/Gore and therefore Gore/whoever.

I hope I'm wrong.


Horny Toad



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Horny Toad, I do think you're wrong. On the other hand, I think this election will be very close. But, given the fact that Gore has been vice president for eight years during an economic boom and a fairly peaceful period, he should be pulling numbers higher than 41%.
There's something wrong with Gore and his campaign. I just hope it stays wrong all the way to November.

Dick
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Monkeyleg:
Horny Toad, I do think you're wrong. On the other hand, I think this election will be very close. But, given the fact that Gore has been vice president for eight years during an economic boom and a fairly peaceful period, he should be pulling numbers higher than 41%.
There's something wrong with Gore and his campaign. I just hope it stays wrong all the way to November.

Dick[/quote]

Gore has an awful lot of baggage resulting from the eight years with Clinton. I've not talked to anyone who has much use for him.
Since the economy is good, this may well be a low turnout year. I do think gunowners will make a difference.
BTW, what do you think of GW's meeting with the gay Republicans and his drift to the "middle"?
 
Regarding Bush's "move to the middle":

It's generally accepted political theory that in our brand of two party politics, the candidates must start out at the extremes to get their respective party nominations, then once the nomination is locked up, run like hell for the middle. Elections are won and lost on how well this is accomplished.

I wouldn't sweat GW's seeming move to the middle. He knows who brought him to the dance.


[This message has been edited by JimR (edited April 19, 2000).]
 
First of all it ain't over till the fat lady sings. Don't get complacent. I lean more towards the libertarian side but I'm voting Bush just so I'm sure my vote isn't wasted. If you vote third party you're voting for Gore. Please vote!!! Don't think that the "Fix is in".

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I believe that Gore will win, although not by a wide margin. 99 percent of the news media favors him and is working hard to get him in office. And of course all the positive coverage of McCain was simply an effort to hurt Bush. (You didn't really think that Washington Post and New York Times writers would vote for a Republican, did you?)

And, Magoo1, if you want more gun control and continued expansion of the power of the federal government, by all means vote for Bush. His web site promises that's what he'll provide, and I see no reason to doubt him.

And this interesting test for Bush fans: Compare the gun control proposals on the Bush 2000 web site with those proposed by Slick Willie in 1992. See much difference?
 
Something I read the other day pointed out that Gore is leading Bush in Wisconsin polls something like 48% to 42%. Whatever the actual number are, they are very close.

The important thing, though, is that Wisconsin has traditionally voted Democratic in every presidential election. Gore has campaigned heavily in Wisconsin and Bush has campaigned little, yet Gore just barely leads Bush. Gore may still win the state, but that's an awful lot of voters who are turning against him. I personally think that will be a trend around the nation except in a few states.

I think Gore is unelectable just because he's a transparent liar but when they get through with him over the Buddhist Temple scandal, Mr "I invented the Internet" and "Love Story was based on me and Tipper" is going to look like real dirt. Only the hardcore Democrats will still be in his camp.
 
Bush *must* win. We're completely, utterly screwed without him.

This election is NOT about the presidency. It's about the three to five new Supremes that'll be in place in time for Emerson to blow through.

And ladies, Emerson is for ALL the marbles.

Jim
 
Yes the E.C. does not have to vote as the state has voted, but NO historical evidence exists to my knoledge (limmited thouth that may be) of any Elector NOT voting as the the state did. Remember these people are selected by the state party and are quite carefully slected at that.
 
Well, as long as we don't get a bunch of people sidetracked by another candidate and take votes away from Bush, then we should have no problem getting what we want. In the last two elections, if the popular vote hadn't gone to Perot we may not be in the situation we are in now. We ALL have to vote Bush and not send any mixed signals.

I've learned alot from this thread. Thanks to all who have and will reply.
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Yeah, vote for Junior, the man who publicly stated "There ought to be limits to freedom."

Vote for Junior, who thinks we don't have enough gun control laws (he supports a ban on all non-LE full-capacity mags and all so-called "assault weapons").
 
OK he has his flaws in those areas but I guess you would rather have a klinton clone like Gore. It's going to be one of the 2 and as stated many times before you gotta go with the lesser of 2 evils. Bush is the closest thing we have in a candidate that will give us a break from this constant assault on our RKBA.

http://www.georgewbush.com/issues/domestic/guns/points.asp



[This message has been edited by HukeOKC (edited April 20, 2000).]
 
OK everyone. Get ready for a really long rant here! I swore several years ago that I would no longer discuss politics or religion with any of my friends or relatives. I"m fairly certain I have no relatives here @ TFL, but I do consider each and every one of you a friend. Maybe not close friends mind you, but friends just the same. So I guess I'm going back on my word on this discussion now. THe last few years its been really hard to keep my mouth shut on this whole political mess we are in now, with no hope of any relief. I will apologize in advance to those of you in this forum who are holding or seeking public office. I'm sure YOUR motives are honorable. Its to the rest of all the political scum that I'm greatly disalusioned with. Yes, they are all SCUM!!! The way I see it, its bad at the local, lower levels of political office and only gets much worse at the very top of federal political office holders.(See Klinton, Commander & Chief-Scum in charge!)

For example, why does anyone in their right mind spend thousands of dollars to get elected to an office that pays $3,000 a year(or less!)? I'm talking , of course about minor city or county offices here. Go on up to state and federal office and millions are spent for just the hope or chance to hold one of these powerful offices. There, I just answered my own question. POWER. Even on the smallest, local level of pollitical office, if you have power, you don't need money. Not your own money anyway!

And I'm sick of New York, California, Illinois, Florida, and Texas(sorry To the res., here of those states!) deciding on who I get to vote for in a presidential election. They've now narrowed my choices down to the two remaining Scum that I have to pick from! Its no longer possible to vote for the BEST one of the two canditates. Nor even the BEST one of the two WORST canditates. We are forced to choose between the less Scumiest of the two! What a system! We should be proud! Lets see now. I can vote for the guy who I "think" is for gun rights, but is a former(still?) hard drug user, or the guy who wants to take away all my gas engines and my B-B-Q grill and my guns! Not voting for either is like voting for both of them!

Speaking of voting. Are we all so sure fire positive that our votes even count for who we vote for? I don't know, or have talked to ANYONE who will admit to voting for that slime thats in the White House now, the 1st time. Let alone the 2nd. Are there THAT many liars out there. Or THAT many soccer moms. Just who DID put that A**H**E in there anyway? I've worked on local election boards in the past. I know for a fact that ballots get "lost", or "accidently mutilated", or "voided" for some reason. Think it doesn't happen on a national level? Even when vote/voter fraud is suspected or in some cases proven, is there anything done about it? B-1 Bob D. in Calif. comes to mind right off hand! When we pull that lever, punch that ballot, or write that X in the box, what really happens to that vote? Why is it that the talking hair-dos can tell us who won the election 5 mins. after the polls open? (I know, thats a bit of a stretch, but you get the idea.)

Its no big surprise to me why people don't vote. Why should they? It doesn't do any good. And what choices do we have? And what does it all really matter anyway? We the people aren't really represented any more anyway. Its the special interest groups that keep pouring money into so-and-so's re-election campaign that keep them in office forever!

It breaks my heart to see what this country has become. Lets face it. Its bad on us true Americans now, but what have MY grandchildren got to look forward to? Sometimes I look at my 5yr old, twin grandaughters and wonder if they only knew and could understand what they are in for......

OK. RANT mode off now. Going to go and take my heart & blood press. pills now. Or maybe instead I'll send some rounds down range. Then smoke a good cigar and kick back with some cold ones. This always seems to make me feel better anyway.

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There have been a few electors who changed their vote, but they haven't ever changed the outcome of an election. The only time it every became a big issue was 1800, Jefferson v. Adams. There was no provision for separate votes for president-vice president, so Jefferson and his running mate Burr tied and the vote was thrown into the House of Representatives.
 
Because I'm an honest man, I'll humbly admit that I voted for the A**H*LE the first time. I was fresh out of the Corps, a freshman in college, and a Democrat because my parents were (and still are). I also was not a gun owner and didn't understand the whole RKBA thing very well. I have since been reformed (actually, I was reformed when Klintun came up with "Don't ask Don't tell"). I didn't make the mistake the second time around.

One thing that pisses me off is the fact that the union that I'm forced to pay dues to is in full support of Gore. I get the union newspapers in the mail and nearly throw up when I read the articles supporting Gore, affirmative action, and other liberal causes. By the way, the union is AFSCME (American Federation of State, County, & Munincipal Employees).

HukeOKC, thanks for relaying my post.

houndawg

[This message has been edited by houndawg (edited April 21, 2000).]
 
HukeOKC...

Your friend is only half right. It is a scam, but George W. Bush is the chosen one.

Let's face it, both of these dickheads have political bloodlines, both are members of the CFR, Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderbergers...so either one of them is ceratinly fit to continue the leftist agenda. However, GWB fits the bill better, since he adds to his delightful conspiracy based background, membership in the lovely Order of Skull & Bones, plus years of watching dear old dad play the game first hand.

It is neither the electoral college or the American voters who chose our president. This level of office is bought and paid for by some very shadey characters at the very top of the global establishment, and has been that way since Woodrow Wilson.
 
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