Bill DeShivs
New member
Pepper spray.
Don't fight till its time to kill or die.
Not that long ago a civilian here in the Phoenix area rescued a state trooper from being beaten to death. Long story short, he happened to be driving by, saw the perp on top of the ST officer, beating his head against the ground, so he stopped and ended up shooting the guy to save the ST.
How so? Leave. Retreat. Give up stuff. Let words slide by.
So far,violence can be avoided.
These days,if you go down,kicks to the head can be expected. I'm 68. I'm not going to play that game.
I will endure tremendous indignity to avoid violence. Maybe thats the difference between you and I.
Maybe if I trash talk your mother you have to fight.
I recognise I carry a deadly force instrument, I will find any way I can out of violence.
I've made it to 68 with never pulling a gun on anyone for any reason.
More than 10 years ago ,I was not armed. I was ignoring a fight till I saw a women punched. She went down and out. I gave the guy about three to the solar plexus and my best right to the temple.We mutually disengaged. I had long hair and a beard I did not want him to grab.I'm no martial artist.
It took a few minutes for his brain to bleed before he went out.He scored 7 misdemeanors,a felony,and a restraining order.
I'm too old for that now. My legs are damaged,I can't run. I can use Wisdom.
If violence upon me is inevitable,you tell me just how in the hell I know ahead of time if it will be fatal or cause me great harm?
Hindsight won't do.
The scenario is this. I have no choice. Shoot or take a beat down.
You tell me what meets your approval
I like you (and your attitude) Don!I'm 74 and couldn't agree more.
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BTW, if you get into a fight with me you can expect it's a gun fight, I'm an old man with an attitude!
Frank, (Pre disclaimer) we are not your client and you are not our lawyer, ...
But if you had a client who was ***just*** involved in a shooting seconds ago, what advice would you give them?
I was attacked, feared for my life and had to defend myself."
and I hope that you could qualify that claim to the degree that others agree with you. Plenty of people have made the claim
You don't "qualify" anything after stating "I was attacked, feared for my life and had to defend myself" and "Please send BOTH police and an ambulance to this location", FireForged. Other than maybe point out evidence like the weapon the assailant used or tried to use against you and/or witnesses at the scene. You then CALL YOUR LAWYER and say nothing more until you've consulted with your attorney.