North Korea tests nuke!

If a bomb just explodes in a city - it will be very hard to identify the source. Also, the world would not like us if we just vaporized their country. Thus, we can shoot the good ol' cruise missiles at some obsolete Mig 21s.

Prevention was worth a pound of cure and we blew it on that. I wouldn't want to live in a major port or NYC or DC. It is just a matter of time till a nuke lands in one of them.

Let's be real - the rest of the world sees us as a first target of terrorist nuke and really doesn't care if we eat one. They wouldn't support the annihilation of the suspected country that supplied the bomb.
 
"If a bomb just explodes in a city - it will be very hard to identify the source"

That's not true. Nuclear weapons have distinct detonation signatures making it relatively easy to identify their source.
 
If Iran or NK make a bomb - test it underground or never test it and then sell one to another country - how can we determine that it came from XYZ?

From some lab evidence, we decide to launch a civilization destroying attack on those countries?

I guess I don't believe CSI can give us enough evidence for a nuclear war.
 
More importantly, it better not come from YYZ, or else we'd have to nuke Canada! :D LOL!


Speaking of Toronto...

"An ill wind comes a-rising, across the cities of the plain
There's no swimming in the heavy water, no singing in the acid rain
Red Alert!
Red Alert!"

;)



-azurefly
 
This is bad. This is REAL bad.

My only consolation is that North Korea really doesn't care about us that much. Kim Jong Il is after Japan and South Korea. If he starts launching nukes, they'll get hit first.

Of course, any single launch will instantly lead to dozens upon dozens of other launches, so either way, we will get drawn into a horrible nuclear war if Il goes (further) off the deep end.

Not good guys... Not good...
 
Suddenly I feel an urge to sleep with my gun close to my bed.
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Perhaps lead over your bed would serve a better purpose.

Hey, guess what, Anchorage Alaska would be one of the easiest targets...guess me and Spiff should form a militia :)

WildbombshelterAlaska
 
North Korea scares me less than Iran.Kim Jong Ill wants the usual.Money,attention,prestige.We can handle that.Islamic fundamentalist just want us dead.
 
Well it's a good time I still have my "In Time of Emergency" book to help me prepare. According to this book, fallout should go away in 2-14 days, and a home-built shelter made from unhinged doors and matresses will do the trick. It actully says to remove your front door and use it as protection if you are one of the unfortunate few that's without an underground bomb shelter.
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I'm getting pretty sick of having an end of the world every few years. Can't we just end it once?

Too much macho posturing - take Kim and George and put them in an episode of Survivor.
 
The evidence so far suggests it was a detonation in the half-kiloton range..."unusually small" for a nuclear test.

Personally, I think they just rigged 500 tons of dyn-o-mite together in a hole on some North Korean hillside to pretend they actually tested a nuke.

I'm far more concerned about the Pakis having nukes, seeing how a lot of them are sympathetic to Osama's cause, and Musharraf is always only a few bodyguards away from a coup.
 
Or they may have been trying to do a plutonium implosion device, but the timing of the charges wasn't precise enough to cause sufficient compression of the core to initiate a chain reaction.
 
"...may have been trying to do a plutonium implosion device..."

that is the oinly device you can do with plutonium.
A 'gun barrel' device will not operate with plutonium.

Starting to sound like a 'fizzle'.
 
Or they may have been trying to do a plutonium implosion device, but the timing of the charges wasn't precise enough to cause sufficient compression of the core to initiate a chain reaction.
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I can't say for sure, but I believe it was a flux capacitor malfunction.
 
If we go back to the 1960's all the way to late 80's - there was this bigger threat called RUSSIA and the cold war.

A nuclear power that was our equal in every way shape and form. NK has 4-16 nuclear weapons. In the sub-kiloton range. There are several methods of delivery that they can utilize to attack us.

In some ways, it was probably safer in the cold war, because everyone knew if either the US or Russia attacked, the entire world would be destroyed - MAD. So neither side could afford to push the "button".

If NK - in their insanity, decides their only option is attack, they would probably start with Japan and SK, then spread out throughout that region.

Which means - you probably have about 3-6 months before this gets out of hand (If it does...) to build your bomb shelter. Buy supplies. etc.

I would personally spend money buying extra food rations etc. And if the STHF occurs, then have a plan to bug out of suburbia and into the woods for a while until things cool down.
 
It looks as if the North Koreans may have had a fizzle. US intelligene indicates that the test yielsd was less than 1,000 tona inatead of the 10-2000 tons expected fro a gun eype weapon,
A fizzle is when low order nuclear reaction takes place. A weapon designed improperly or damaged by physical stress may, when triggered appropriately , begin the process of a chain reaction. But as the nuclear events begin to occur to sustain that chain reaction, improper physical positioning introduces inappropriate elements into the cycle. For instance, a moderator used to reflect neutrons back into the core, may itself have been forcefully injected into the core by a physical event (bomb hitting the ground). This kills the reaction before it ever develops into a sustained chain reaction. Misshaped cores, misdirected compression explosions, and many other events cause the reaction to fizzle out, not sustaining itself long enough to get the massive compression and temperature needed to sustain a chain reaction.

The fizzle can be quite dangerous, however, not in terms of mass destruction , but dangerous never-the-less. High energy neutrons escape from the fizzle almost by definition (it is their escape that ceases the chain reaction). Not a big bang, but a very deadly burst of radiation.
 
I wouldnt panic yet.I dont think they know what theyre doing and how much its going to cost them to keep experimenting.


yes, kim has a very bad case of spoiled brat syndrome.
 
My take on it...

North Korea SHOULD HAVE been taken care of first instead of Iraq, simple, because WE KNEW NK HAD NUKES, Iraq was pounded into the ground the first time, all we'd have to do was keep an eye on it.

As for current situations, I would support an attack on North Korea if things started to heat up. As for us being nuked, if NK did go off the deep end and Kim Jong "Momma-Dresses-Me-In-Disco-Clothes" Il orderd such an attack then at that point I'd say, kill 'em all let god sort 'em out nuke NK back if they do that to us. So now I must ask, think we're on the verge of WW3? Let's see Iraq is sinking deeper and deeper into the toilet, Israel and its neighbors can't get along because they're both too stupid and stubbron to come to some sort of agreement. Iran has/is getting nukes, Pakistan HAS NUKES and Musharaff is in between a rock and a hard place because his own people are more likely to support bin Hidin' and the American government is forcing him to make an even more difficult choice, if Pakistan falls to the Taliban and Jong Il decides to work with Iran and Pakistan... Apocalypse now?

Epyon


P.S: Grim news huh? Perhaps through our hatred and greed as the human race we deserve such terrible atrocities to befall us and propel us to our own demise. Let's not forget the overlooked inconvenient fact that global climates are also taking a turn for the worse. Maybe if there is a deity out there, it's telling us we're screwing up in the long run, and we're screwing up big time.
 
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