The "dueling beretta's" took place about a decade ago with my beretta 21A and gave 825 to 850 as measured by a chrony brand chronograph. The ammunition was probably winchester 50 grain FMJ's. The other gun was the comparable beretta, chamberted for .22 long rifle. Since then I've always handloaded and have had not trouble duplicating the 850 ft/sec loads in the hornady manual. I use that as a standard everyday load. Because of the short length and small diameter of the empty .25 brass, I had to buy an appropriate diameter forstner bit and make my own reloading tray.
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Noob question .22 cal. Verses .25 cal pistols
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Powder?
Hammie: A long time ago, I know. Do you recall what powder you used in those loads?
I'm going to load up a bunch this weekend if I can get that type of ballistics. I've got W231 on hand and everything else.
Just ran that data 50gr. at 850 through the old ballistics program = 80ft.lbs ME. That is substantially hotter than a .22 out of the short barrels; even at 800 fps the .22 is down under 60. The 40 grain .22 would have to be moving at 950 fps to equal the energy figures at least of the .25. The lighter Hyper velocity bullets would have to be moving at over 1000 fps to catch up to the .25.
Pete
Hammie: A long time ago, I know. Do you recall what powder you used in those loads?
I'm going to load up a bunch this weekend if I can get that type of ballistics. I've got W231 on hand and everything else.
Just ran that data 50gr. at 850 through the old ballistics program = 80ft.lbs ME. That is substantially hotter than a .22 out of the short barrels; even at 800 fps the .22 is down under 60. The 40 grain .22 would have to be moving at 950 fps to equal the energy figures at least of the .25. The lighter Hyper velocity bullets would have to be moving at over 1000 fps to catch up to the .25.
Pete
I like jacketed bullets for best penetration.
.25 ammo at http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catal...iocchi-50gr-fmj-ammo/cName/25-auto-fmj-ammois $12 a box but isually $20 most places.
Shooting my .22 vs my .25 the .25 seems much more powerful,but the reliability of the cartridge gives it the advantage.Both are not good concealed weapons as main guns,but as bugs either will do the job.
Another advantage is all the older .25's on the market that were made at a time when steel guns were works of art,not just a crappy Raven.
If you want more power from your .25 put a NOS sticker on the side as i know those add more power to cars that have them installed on them.
The 2 calibers are really close in ballistics and neither are what id want to trust my life too unless my main gun fails,if thats the case my bug BETTER be reliable and that it is.
.25 ammo at http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catal...iocchi-50gr-fmj-ammo/cName/25-auto-fmj-ammois $12 a box but isually $20 most places.
Shooting my .22 vs my .25 the .25 seems much more powerful,but the reliability of the cartridge gives it the advantage.Both are not good concealed weapons as main guns,but as bugs either will do the job.
Another advantage is all the older .25's on the market that were made at a time when steel guns were works of art,not just a crappy Raven.
If you want more power from your .25 put a NOS sticker on the side as i know those add more power to cars that have them installed on them.
The 2 calibers are really close in ballistics and neither are what id want to trust my life too unless my main gun fails,if thats the case my bug BETTER be reliable and that it is.
Darkgael, I currently use unique in my .25 acp handloads, mainly because I use it in so many other cartridges and by using it, I can keep my powder inventory down. Because of our litigious society, I'm afraid to give out personal, unpublished loads. However, as you're probably aware, the current hornady and sierra manuals have load data for the .25 acp, using WW 231. They both list a max load of 1.6 grains of WW 231 and show 850 ft/sec for a 50 grain bullet. Of course, the problem with the .25 is the small case capacity. A tenth of a grain charge either way, can make a lot of difference, and so you have to be pretty careful with powder charging. Looking through some old notes, I did find that in the dim past, I did use WW 231. I used 1.5 grains, which is less than the hornady max, and it seemed to work fine in my beretta.