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Cowboy Preacher

I cannot stress how important it is to you that you do not cuff someone on a repo gig. You WILL get into ALOT of trouble. If someone gets weird with you on a repo gig, pull your gun, and get yourself out of there. Then call the cops. You have a right to self defense, and you have the right to take the property you are reposessing. Your rights end there. Restraint is NOT defense.

The cops can intervene on your behalf. That's what they're paid for. They have special rights to ensure that they will not be held personally responsible for restraining some jerk who is trying to keep you from doing your job.
 
That is what Iam pissed about. That cops can do things and not be held liable. I am just as or more important than some local fuss with a attitude problem. Restraint is part of self defense. You restrain then give the fool a "coup de grace." That is self defense taking the offensive.
 
Restraint is part of self defense???

Not in any statute I've ever read. Retraint might be part of a citizens arrest, but in self defense, when the attack on you is over, it's over. Peace officers get sued and tried criminally for stepping out of bounds too.

No way in a repo situation would an officer "hook up" a subject while you repoed his vehicle and then let him go. If it got to the point where he was "hooked up" he'd get the rest of the trip through the booking room, for assault, disorderly conduct, whatever.

No way you should ever do that. You'd surely be arrested and do felony prison time for unlaful restraint and aggravated battery.

Jeff
 
Cowboy Preacher, I'm unaware of any law against carrying cuffs in VA. As mentioned above, zip ties are probably a better option anyway (not so bulky and less suspicious). Also, I see no reason to carry brass knuckles or blackjacks when other legal options are available. I always carry OC spray and a knife or three in addition to a handgun, and sometimes an ASP baton. I can't think of a situation when these tools would be insufficient. There's really not much difference between what I carry and what a cop carries, including means to call for backup (cellphone).

As far as training, there's the Kelly Worden "Tactical Baton" video (quite good) and similar videos for other tools. LFI offers kubotan and handcuff training in their upper-level classes. In fact, most training available to civilians goes far beyond that at the police academy. At the end of one LFI class, you reach instructor level and actually train police officers.

LFI recommends against using cuffs, but teaches them anyway because some people want/need to use them. If you live in a very remote area, you might need to make a citizen's arrest while waiting hours (or days!) for the cops to arrive. As mentioned above, if you cuff someone without a legal reason (citizen's arrest) you will be in serious trouble. We citizens have one option that cops don't: we can let the bad guy go rather than attempt to restrain him.

(I agree that "citizen" isn't the best term for "not a police officer" but I haven't heard a better suggestion. Plus, it's the standard as used in terms like citizen's arrest.)
 
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