Noise complaints of range.

[ljnowell]

So exactly what do you think the owner of that land should do, just keep it undeveloped for the convenience of the of the gun range? Civilization does creep in to uninhabited areas. A range in the Dallas area got hit for 1 mil because a homeowner over a mile down range got hit. The range has been able to stay open by making many court ordered improvements. Yes they were in the sticks when they opened over 30 years ago but not now. If the owner had invested in safety improvements years ago he could have saved himself a lot of money. I do think the judgement was over the line but the jury (I think) was ****** that this guy did nothing over the years to make the place safer. The worst part of the story is that the owner didn't have any liability insurance.

What exactly do you think a safe and legal range should do? Close down because people bought land around them and don't like the range?

 

[Double Naught Spy]

the backstop is not just foliage. its huge walls of tires, I don't know how tall, but very tall.

LOL skizzums. Yes, they had backstops and the extensively remodeled versions are in the picture I provided, but backstops don't stop rounds from going over the top of them, do they? Just because you have a backstop doesn't mean that is where the bullets are going. Besides, if you go into Google Earth and look at what the old dirt backstops looked like, you can see that they were much smaller than they are now. You can see extensive work on the berms since Oct 29, 2010

Also, What is the ground elevation of the shooter's tables, ground elevation of the shooter's tables, berms, and Caldwell house? According to Google Earth,...

Tables 1060 ft
25 yard berm 1058 ft
50 yard berm 1055 ft
100 yard berm 1046 ft
Caldwell home 1087 ft

So the berms are down slope from the shooting tables, the land falling away down to a drainage between the range and Caldwell house, but the Caldwell house was HIGHER than the shooting tables. At 100 yards, the berm would have to have 14 ft of elevation just to be LEVEL with the ground at the shooting tables, plus another 2.5 feet for the height of the shooting table. As ground level for the Caldwell house was 27 feet higher, the berm at 100 yards would need to be in the neighborhood of 30 ft tall just to be out of direct line of sight from the shooting tables. As can be seen in the after-suit images, they still are not that tall today. http://advancedbullets.com/

im not saying tires are the best idea, just clarifying. I do know that the ne insurance company had them get an audit by the NRA and they cleared the range, I don't know what that means, but it must be worth something.

No, the COURT had them get inspected by the NRA.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/couple-awarded-175k-lawsuit-over-stray-gun-range-b/nYT7p/

The range may have met NRA standards, but that doesn't mean rounds were not going over the berm, LOL. Once over, the only thing to stop the rounds is the foliage.

I also know they had no complaints until THOSE people moved in, and haven't had any more strays since they left

To quote you...

I know absolutely zero facts about the case,

Then you don't know if there were complaints before or not and it does not matter if there weren't. You just got the story the owner gave you. That the house is now rented by a range employee tells you something. You think the employee is going to complain out loud if there is a problem? You think the owner is going to tell you if there was a problem?
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What exactly do you think a safe and legal range should do? Close down because people bought land around them and don't like the range?

The range is NOT safe and legal if rounds are leaving the property.

 

[thallub]

Some firing range operators are totally lacking in common sense. Any public firing range owner who operates without liability insurance is an idiot. Many private shooting ranges are negligent homicide cases in waiting. i've had guys argue that big round hay bales make good "backstops" for centerfire rifle rounds.

One civil court case i testified at was against a guy who owned about eight acres of land. He had a 200 yard firing range with a "berm" of old tires, broken concrete and junk about six feet high located 20 feet from the property line: He made a big deal about the woods on the other property stopping bullets. Along with lesser calibers, the guy fired .300 and .338 Win Mag rifles on that inadequate "range".

The neighbor complained about bullets hitting his home and out buildings to no avail. Finally the neighbor sued, and won.

Every bullet that leaves a firing range is engraved with the shooters name.