No photos...for religious reasons.
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I argued with the DMV clerk after she instructed me to remove my glasses before the photo was taken.
My argument was that I have always worn glasses in all previous I.D. photo shoots and demanded to know why it was required that I remove my glasses.
She was telling me that I had no choice if I wanted the I.D.card.
I inflamed the situation further by demanding to know if this B.S. DMV facial recognition policy came from Obama. That really set her off...ha, ha, ha.
My argument was that I have always worn glasses in all previous I.D. photo shoots and demanded to know why it was required that I remove my glasses.
She was telling me that I had no choice if I wanted the I.D.card.
I inflamed the situation further by demanding to know if this B.S. DMV facial recognition policy came from Obama. That really set her off...ha, ha, ha.
Software engineer here. Facial recognition systems typically work by analyzing an image to capture the outline/shape of the face, as well as the size, shape, location etc. of major features like eyes, nose, and mouth. If the training image includes glasses, then the system might capture the frames as part of the facial features, so it's totally unable to recognize the face without glasses. If it's trained without glasses, however, it should be able to match the facial structure and ignore the glasses as extra info.
To use a gun analogy, imagine that you know nothing at all about guns and I show you an AR decked out with optics, foregrip, suppressor, and basically every accessory possible. Then later I show you a basic AR with nothing attached and ask you what it is. Your response will probably be "it sort of looks like an AR, but it's missing a lot of things so I'm not sure." OTOH if I show you the basic AR first then ask you about the one with accessories, your answer is probably going to much more confident, like "there's extra things attached, but I recognize the AR underneath."
So, I was in southern Illinois earlier this week and I stopped in an Amish restaurant. We got to talking, and I asked about photo ID. Two of the gentlemen had driver's licenses since they occasionally had to use a communal truck to move stuff on the highway. In their particular interpretation, it's OK to get the picture taken since it's a means to a particular and necessary end.
That said, it all comes down to how your friend's particular group interprets things.
That said, it all comes down to how your friend's particular group interprets things.
Exactly. The elders make the rules for each local group. "My" Amish do not drive. They have a communal van that is driven by a non-Amish employee.
The young (21) Amish guy who hunts my land has a $600 game call (he is heavily into varmint calling). He came to my house and had me download from the internet, the program that programs his game call with the free library of calls from the manufacturer. I am convinced that he nor anyone else consulted the elders about that device...I am sure that he just did not tell them and as long as they do not forbid its use (or amend the Ordnung), he will continue to use it. In short, what they do not know about, they cannot prohibit.
I'm going to guess that an AR would fall in the same category.
Being hunters my Amish neighbors possess many guns. They also are avid varmint shooters inasmuch as they almost all have chickens, ducks, geese, sheep and goats (and cows), that are subject to predation vis raccoons, fox, and coyotes. The groundhogs dig holes in which cattle or horses could break a leg. So, they see guns as tools to control the threats to their livelihood. The guns they have are modern guns although they generally have muzzle loaders also, to take advantage of Michigan's Muzzle Loading Deer Season (and bows for bow season)...they are big on harvesting all the resources available while wasting none...they harvest deer with much enthusiasm.
As an example, my closest neighbor has a .17 caliber rimfire that he uses on varmints. He also has a .357 Ruger Blackhawk. Therefore, I do not think the local Ordnung would list an AR15 as a prohibited item even if the elders knew what it was...it is just another varmint control rifle for them.
When I renewed my driver's license last fall the clerk asked if I wanted to keep the same picture-I told her no as I no longer had that pair of glasses. In NJ they ask you "With or without glasses?"
We have no "System", not with 50 states plus territories and the Federal Government.
A friend of mine -a black girl-is two different people, depending on when she's made up or not.
I have been told in some of those groups the prohibition against posed pictures has more to with notions of modesty and strictures against vanity. A Muslim girl told me they had lectures which told them that many gestures in our society had to do with our concepts of gentlemanly and ladylike conduct and should not be seen as "putting the make on."
We have no "System", not with 50 states plus territories and the Federal Government.
A friend of mine -a black girl-is two different people, depending on when she's made up or not.
I have been told in some of those groups the prohibition against posed pictures has more to with notions of modesty and strictures against vanity. A Muslim girl told me they had lectures which told them that many gestures in our society had to do with our concepts of gentlemanly and ladylike conduct and should not be seen as "putting the make on."