No Glock for me.

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Cain R

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Went to West Edmonton Mall yesterday to the gun range and rented a Glock in .40S&W. The gun was brand new, right out of the display case. I've been debating between a 1911 or Glock, now I know.

After the first five shots I was disapointed, after 10 I didn't like it much after 20 I was sure, for me Glocks suck. I hated the way it pointed and the tigger pull just wasn't for me. The range officer came over and asked me how I liked it, told him I didn't. He broke out a STI (?) and I finished off the last 30 rounds with it.

For sure 1911 guy, I really liked the way it handled pointed and the trigger pull. Now I know for sure. 1911 all the way.

BUT which one? A factory Colt is close to $1100Cdn, a Kimber $1400Cdn, Para Ordenace $1000Cdn. And a brand new Norinco compact is $450Cdn. Hmm is the Kimber really worth the extra grand?? I'll probably put at least 5000 rounds per year down range, theres not many pistol smiths around so realiability is important. CCW is right out, so the gun will be used primarily for IDPA competion and casual plinking.

What do you all think, go for the gusto and buy a Kimber or Para or buy two Norinco's and drop in a few aftermarket goodies myself?
 
Cain R,

You're not the only one. I have several Glocks and they just don't feel natural to me. I've always wondered why, since they seem right for so many people.

For me, the most natural feeling guns and which I shoot the best are: 1911, BHP, and P7 PSP. I also have some Sigs, Berettas, CZ-75s, etc., but haven't shot them, yet.

Steve
 
Personally I bought a Kimber. No regrets, it has all the add ons I want and it has never hickuped. I felt I got what I paid for.

That said, I have met people with Norinco's that are happy. It ate up all their ammo and seems like a good workhorse. Really, it is just rougher around the edges than my Kimber.
 
Cain:

Go to a gun store, put the ones you're looking at side-by-side, handle them, and ask yourself which one you'll still like in 10 years.

- Aion
 
I guess by Cdn you mean Canadian?

I dont know what the exchange rate is for canadian money, but down here you can get a Kimber Custom for $650 easy, and a Colt XSE or equivalent for $850.
 
Yup Canuck Bucks. Kimber custom $1495-1795.00
Colts start at $1100

Me thinks a $450 Norinco is around the corner with some upgrades.

Springfield Armoury when you can find one, $1495.00 ouch.:(
 
Go Colt. There's just something about having that pony on the slide! Plus, the ones of recent production have been quite nice.
 
Springfield Loaded. Mine has functioned perfectly with several types of FMJ and JHP.

Comes with Novak Night Sights, ext. thumb safety, beavertail grip safety, aluminum trigger, etc. For $650, it's a great deal. Mine's parkerized.
 
Cain R., If you are willing to put the time and effort into it a Charles Daly or Norinco is certainly worth the money. Personally I would never spend that amount of money on a Kimber or any custom pistol. One of the reasons I love the 1911 is that I can tinker with it. I enjoy tinkering as much as I do shooting.

I've handled a few Kimbers but never owned one or shot one. The ones I've handled seemed excellent. The people I've spoken with seem happy with theirs, Kimber's customer service is pretty good also (so I hear). If I strictly wanted to shoot and was not willing to tinker with my pistol I would purchase a Kimber.

I don't like Glocks either but that's because I like wood and steel. Plus I can't stand the Glock trigger pull or grip angle and shape, just doesn't fit my hand. But that's not to say that Glocks are not good pistols.
 
Go for the Colt

Given those prices it seems like the Colt might be the best long-term buy. Colt was the original 1911 manufacturer and that seems to count to some folks, should you decide to sell/trade down the road. The new Colts with the spiffy new roll mark are getting good comments from folks in terms of quality.
Plus, some folks may not like this, but buying a 1911 made in Communist China just doesn't seem right. :rolleyes:
Go for the Colt.
 
While I can understand your initial feelings about the Glock having been there myself, I still recommend them due to the low total cost of owneship these guns provide. Basically all you need to do is change the sights ie Bo-Mar and give it a trigger job it will shoot just as well as any other gun out there for a fraction of the cost. BTW, at the USPSA Nationals the production class winner was using a Glock that was out of the box.

BTW, I'm not biased toward Glock I currently own a plethora of 1911 Open Class and Limited/Limited 10 Class guns manufactured by firms like SV, STI, Caspian and that wonderful Canadian Firm Para Ordnance. But since I started shooting production I find that both my Glock 34 and 35 shoot as well as any of my 1911's and for a fraction of the cost for gunsmith work.

Custom Glock can install a competion grade trigger thats set at two (2) pounds for two hundred dollars US. For more information on this service heres the website

http://www.custom-glock.com/ (Gunsmith)

http://www.topglock.com/index.html (Parts)
 
I've been looking at the Colt Lightweight Commander. Gun Tests gave it really high marks. Also the Wilsons. At first Wilsons seem too expensive, but the longer you look at the guns and the company, the more they make sense. Les Baer, also. Lots of specific info on these and other great 1911s at www.pistolsmith.com
 
Glocks . . . love em or leave em. I love my G19, but my G17 feels somewhat unsatisfying. If I were to look into a M1911, I would be partial to a Springfield Armory gun. Consider also a BHP.
 
Cain R:
Here's a picture of my Norinco 1911A1 that I bought NIB two years ago for $379 Canadian (US$240). I've done all of the customizing work myself, except for the Bomar rear and Fiber-optic front sight, which Dlask Arms installed for me. It shoots like a hot damn, is 100% reliable and will eat up any type of .45ACP ammo made.
 

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I surely don't claim to be a gunsmith, but I've always found the 1911 extremely easy to work on. I just do what the Hallock book says to do, and it works.

So, I look for old, maybe beatup and even a bit rusty 1911s. They're real easy to rebuild. I admit that I'm more concerned with their operation than their looks.

I gave about $400 US for one of the better-grade Sistemas. Made by Colt at Hartford in 1933, from the serial number and Fjestad's Blue Book. I put a mag of SWC through it quite quickly, and it ran just fine.

FWIW, Art
 
For me its the opposite. The Glock feels the best. I have shot USP's, Rugers, Sigs, DE's and I always prefer the way the Glock feels, aims and shoots.

Its good that you shot one first before buying one, at least now you know that you dont like them.
 
I am currently in "transition mode" from my Norinco 1911 to my new Glock 35, btw.....
Cain R: Don't be so hasty about dismissing the Glock as a viable alternative to a 1911......There is no way on God's earth that you can judge a pistol's potential after firing only 20 rounds through it. If that were the case, I certainly wouldn't be enjoying my Glock 35 as much as I am. The Glock's a whole 'nuther animal from a 1911, and requires practice, practice, practice. Once you're there with a Glock, you'll be glad you stuck with it.;)
Mike
 
I agree, you can't tell a pistols true potential after only 20 rounds. But I think you can tell, from first impressions whether the gun is right for you. I had every intention on buying a Glock, I really wanted the range session to reinforce my initial decison to buy Glock. I was disapointed that the gun just didn't agree with me. And a little bit surprised how much better the 1911 felt.

I really wanted to get a Glock, but with the unsatisfying session at the range and its inability to shoot cast bullets, I'm still wondering whats best for me.

The old saying, "I'm not rich enough to buy cheap stuff," also keeps popping into my head. I do know that if I go for the Glock or even a high end 1911 its pretty much ready to go out of the box and will probably give me good returns. The Norinco on the other hand I can afford RIGHT NOW, the other maybe next fall. The Norinco I can work on myself and do some workshop modifications my self. Boy it was easier 20 years ago, way less decsions to make.

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