NFA Self Defense?

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Just put payment down on a Serbu Supershorty and just heard a rumor that I could get into trouble when using it for self defense. Is this true, and if so wth how does that make sense. I doubt its true where I'm from, Montana.

Edit: sorry if this is a repost i couldn't find a thread about it...
 
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Here is a link to an article by Massad Ayoob his name be praised that talks of a shooting that occured with an NFA gun. It was a select fire rifle, not a short-barrel shotgun, in this case. But the shooter was put under an immense amount of scrutiny due to his use of the select fire rifle. This was mainly due to having the politically-charged aspect of a select-fire rifle. In this case the prosecution fell apart because they based their case on the shooter's use of a select-fire rifle.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_168_28/ai_112685749/
 
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I wanna say Massad Ayoob had written something about a fella working for HK. He lit up a friend of a biker with a legally possesed AC556 and. Oh while typing I see someone posted the article.
 
If you are buying a firearm for self defense. You might want to read some of Mr. Ayoob's writings. One problem with the courts in this country are prosecutors who forget about the law and want to go on a personal crusade based on their belief system while forgetting the oath to uphold the law.

My personal opinion is just to buy a shotgun sold over the counter with a shorter barrel for home defense and save yourself some money. That cuts out any argument by an overzealous prosecutor when it is used for self defense.
 
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Why...? Because I want it and its my right to own it? Beyond that small lightweight 12 gauge good for the close quarters that a home would create also over pen would be brought to a minimum. Mostly though its going to be my only 12 gauge and if something happens I want to know if I grab it because someone kicked in my front door at 2am if I'm going to prison for it.

Edit: eghad I'm not buying specifically for HD just trying to CYA in the future.
 
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death2twinkys said:
Why...? Because I want it and its my right to own it?....
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Then why ask the question?

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...Beyond that small lightweight 12 gauge good for the close quarters that a home would create also over pen would be brought to a minimum....
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I'm not sure. I think it remains to be seen how suitable the Serbu Supershorty really is for close quarters home defense. I'd like to see some commentary from experienced instructors putting the weapon through some well thought out drills and trials. It looks cool, but I wonder how that translates to a workable platform for home defense and what sort of training would be helpful in optimizing its effectiveness.

How wold you plan to train with it?

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...if something happens I want to know if I grab it because someone kicked in my front door at 2am if I'm going to prison for it.
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Well the bottom line is that there is no guarantee, one way or the other. The gist of Dr. Meyer's article and what Massad Ayoob has written, is that weapon choice can be a risk factor. You need to decide if any advantage is worth the risk.

Personally, I try to minimized these sorts of risks as much as possible -- and so have some pretty pedestrian handguns for self defense use. And I've trained sufficiently to be reasonably confident in my ability to use them effectively.
 
Out of curiousity, have you been able to shoot one of these, before going through all the hassle and expense involved in acquiring one? If so, how was it?

A 6" 12ga doesn't sound like much fun, to me, but there are definitely some recoil junkies out there.
 
Me, I use only certain weapons for SD, they are selected by power, confidence, price, not necessarily in that order.
 
"Confidence" for me involves several factors:

1) Is the weapon reliable?
2) Can I consistently hit my target with it?
3) Is it quick to bring to bear?
4) Is it quick for follow-up shots?

My concern with the weapon under discussion would be with 2 and 4. Legal concerns would be there as well, but would be less important than 2 and 4. YMMV.
 
For 2 correct me if I'm wrong but when I read the NRAs home defence manual thing back in 05 it said most HD situations occur within 2 yards so if you can miss at that range well... good job?

and For 4 I couldn't imagine it would take any longer than any other 870

But you do make an excellent point of SD criteria and while mine arn't as succinctly laid out they are very similar to my own.
 
Twinky...
I have personally used a legally minimum length shotgun for work. Qualified with it twice a year. There's a lot going on with Short Barreled shotguns you may not understand. I agree there might be some legitimate use for one like that... You'd need some serious training. They are very very dangerous and require special handling, and use.

Based on my training, and experience a SBS is the absolout last thing I'd want to open up with in my home. It is a novelty. I get it.... no reason you cant own one... You have every right to own one... But it's not what you think.


Glenn D.
 
Cool its mostly a novelty Gun so.. yea.
Can't Train without one right?
And I am aware a sbs requires specialized training down to even the way you hold it to you know not mess yourself up.
 
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