Newby bullseye pistol
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$195 for that gun is an ok deal I got one just like this for $201 out the door New in Box with Extra mag. I have used mine for Bullseye I feel that the gun shots better than I can shot it.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...angId=-1&parent_category_rn=15710&isFirearm=Y
So If it new its a good deal if its used you might want to think about it.
$195 for that gun is an ok deal I got one just like this for $201 out the door New in Box with Extra mag. I have used mine for Bullseye I feel that the gun shots better than I can shot it.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...angId=-1&parent_category_rn=15710&isFirearm=Y
So If it new its a good deal if its used you might want to think about it.
melchloboo
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1. 22A - I personally would pass. For several reasons. 1) The 22A is not a widely adopted bullseye platform. I have to give the same answer for Baretta Neos. This means you are basically without the benefit of input and advice from other bullseye shooters. You would be plotting uncharted territory. Might be great, but maybe not. If you're really going to compete you'll be putting thousands of rounds through the gun. How does it hold up? Perhaps great, but as I say, its unproven. 2) One concern would be the lack of aftermarket grip options. I think they have 1 wood grip set from S&W though. 3) Weight. I believe the gun and the neo are very light. This is not necessarily a good thing in a target pistol. A gun has to balance for one, but also have some meat to suppress recoil for rapid fire, even with a .22. 4) Resale value.
Last and most IMPORTANT: trigger. Is it adjustable? What is the factory weight? What do you have to do to get it down to 2.x lbs? Who will do it?
2. VQ guns. They all look cool, but don't expect them to shoot any better than a plain old ruger with a trigger job. I am not really sure how well they do in resale either. I think those with the $ will just get a M41 or a Hammerli.
Last and most IMPORTANT: trigger. Is it adjustable? What is the factory weight? What do you have to do to get it down to 2.x lbs? Who will do it?
2. VQ guns. They all look cool, but don't expect them to shoot any better than a plain old ruger with a trigger job. I am not really sure how well they do in resale either. I think those with the $ will just get a M41 or a Hammerli.
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I, also, would pass on the Smith 22. It doesn't have the rep; it'd be a very big maybe. Volquartsen makes some very nice mods available for the Ruger. You can do the most important ones yourself for less than $100 and the cost of a the basic Ruger..... way less than a grand total.
For $1000, you can buy a number of proven target pistols - the Smith 41, as suggested, a used High Standard, maybe a used Hammerli if you are lucky.
Pete
I, also, would pass on the Smith 22. It doesn't have the rep; it'd be a very big maybe. Volquartsen makes some very nice mods available for the Ruger. You can do the most important ones yourself for less than $100 and the cost of a the basic Ruger..... way less than a grand total.
For $1000, you can buy a number of proven target pistols - the Smith 41, as suggested, a used High Standard, maybe a used Hammerli if you are lucky.
Pete
I would pass on the S&W 22A and get a S&W M41 with 5.5" heavy barrel instead. Buy once, buy right, save money. Avoid buying twice because you definitely will want something better (M41) later. It is no accident that you find so many S&W M41 pistols on Bulleye competition firing lines.
Citizen Carrier
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I have to agree with skipping the 22A as a bullseye pistol. It's a plinker, nothing more. Never saw anybody in the three bullseye leagues I've participated in using one.
Bare minimum, Ruger. At least in my experience.
Some will sing the praises of the Browning Buck Mark...but they might be syphilitic alcoholics for all I know...
Bare minimum, Ruger. At least in my experience.
Some will sing the praises of the Browning Buck Mark...but they might be syphilitic alcoholics for all I know...
Time for a penicillin pill and a shot of VO
Howdy,
It took a little work, but this one has a great trigger,and it will shoot groups with most anything. It will start to cob some when the mags get very dirty but routine mait. wards that off.
A Buckmark or a Ruger with a trigger job would be a good starting place as would any number of more expensive .22's
Good luck
Mike
Howdy,
It took a little work, but this one has a great trigger,and it will shoot groups with most anything. It will start to cob some when the mags get very dirty but routine mait. wards that off.
A Buckmark or a Ruger with a trigger job would be a good starting place as would any number of more expensive .22's
Good luck
Mike
OldShooter
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For little more than the price of the 22A you can find good used Ruger MkIIs or Buckmarks. A S&W 41 would be nice, but in a completely different price range. I shoot in a bullseye league using both a Ruger MkII and a Buckmark. So far for me the guns are not the limiting factor, I am. Other guys are using 41's and Pardini's but they also shoot better than me.
I had a 22A (bought used) and I was not happy with it; fussy about ammo and prone to slam fires. Could have been just that gun, but I'm not going back that way. Ididn't have it long.
For little more than the price of the 22A you can find good used Ruger MkIIs or Buckmarks. A S&W 41 would be nice, but in a completely different price range. I shoot in a bullseye league using both a Ruger MkII and a Buckmark. So far for me the guns are not the limiting factor, I am. Other guys are using 41's and Pardini's but they also shoot better than me.
I had a 22A (bought used) and I was not happy with it; fussy about ammo and prone to slam fires. Could have been just that gun, but I'm not going back that way. Ididn't have it long.
Mike_In_MD
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Do you want to get into Bullseye with a great setup for under 2K? The best bang for the buck IMO is to get a Kimber 1911 with target sights, and to buy a Unit 1 Marvel Preceision 22LR conversion kit. The Kimber 45 will cost you under 1K and is accurate enough to move you up to Master Classification. The Kimbers have excellent triggers out of the box. The Marvel Precision Unit 1 will shoot under 1.5" at 50 yards and can be bought for $400. In a couple of years if you are still into Bullseye and shooting near Master classification level, then buy a super tricked out $2K-3K 45 ACP and use the Kimber for the 22LR conversion unit.
Mike,
sounds like some interesting advice.
I want to get into bullseye shooting but my competition is really with myself so I'm not expecting to jump up to the top levels. Then again I don't want to suddenly find I shoot better than I thought and be limited by crap equipment.
sounds like some interesting advice.
I want to get into bullseye shooting but my competition is really with myself so I'm not expecting to jump up to the top levels. Then again I don't want to suddenly find I shoot better than I thought and be limited by crap equipment.
Conversions
Pete
That is true. Here's the "But" as I see it......I went the conversion route. The bottom line is that, despite the excellent trigger on the Kimber, it is still a trigger on a .45 automatic and is not of the same quality that you will get on a dedicated .22. It may be better than a Ruger Mk.II but it's not as good as that on a Smith 41, a Pardini, a Walther, a High Standard, a Hammerli. A conversion kit is convenient and affordable but it is also a compromise.
Pete
I went/am going a different route: revolvers. Without all the linkages involved in semi-autos, I find the triggers in my revolvers to be second-to-none. Like, they barely move, and the hammer drops. I don't even find myself going all the way, in overtravel, and hitting the trigger stops.
They're not cheap, certainly--my S&W 617 cost a pretty penny, and I've been looking for a S&W 625 to go with it to shoot .45 and am gradually coming to understand that I'll probably need to pay about $700 for one, used--and to get that really nice trigger you have to do extra work (break your grip, reach up with the thumb, and cock the hammer), but they work for me.
They're not cheap, certainly--my S&W 617 cost a pretty penny, and I've been looking for a S&W 625 to go with it to shoot .45 and am gradually coming to understand that I'll probably need to pay about $700 for one, used--and to get that really nice trigger you have to do extra work (break your grip, reach up with the thumb, and cock the hammer), but they work for me.
Mike_In_MD
New member
ZeSpectre
That's what Bullseye is all about, competing against yourself. The people I've met along the way have been helpful and very nice. I've been enjoying this sport informally for the last 3 years, and this year I picked up the 45 and shot in 5 sanctioned NRA 2700 matches. When I started out I bought the Model 41, it's a great pistol, but belive it or not I can shoot the Marvel just as good. My 22LR scores are averaging in the mid 850's out of 900 with both guns. My Marvel is on top of a Kimber Gold Match that has a 3 1/2 pound trigger. I also have a Colt with a 4 pound trigger and can still shoot that score using the Marvel Unit 1.
Good luck, and keep the trigger moving.
That's what Bullseye is all about, competing against yourself. The people I've met along the way have been helpful and very nice. I've been enjoying this sport informally for the last 3 years, and this year I picked up the 45 and shot in 5 sanctioned NRA 2700 matches. When I started out I bought the Model 41, it's a great pistol, but belive it or not I can shoot the Marvel just as good. My 22LR scores are averaging in the mid 850's out of 900 with both guns. My Marvel is on top of a Kimber Gold Match that has a 3 1/2 pound trigger. I also have a Colt with a 4 pound trigger and can still shoot that score using the Marvel Unit 1.
Good luck, and keep the trigger moving.
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