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I was told by an Englishman that the only realistic shot fired with a revolver on film is when Clint fires a revolver at the end of The Unforgiven. Very slowly with great care. Is my friend correct?

Jimmy.
 
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Jimmyjimmyjimmy. I presume that's your name? Don't just but in to the middle of a conversation. Before you even begin to try to join a forum get a child to show you how to use this new technology properly!!

Thank you.

Jimmy.
 
I was told by an Englishman that the only realistic shot fired with a revolver on film is when Clint fires a revolver at the end of The Unforgiven. Very slowly with great care. Is my friend correct?

No, your friend is not correct, that scene is hardly the ONLY realistic shot on film. One thing about the Unforgiven, that film goes to great lengths to not only show shooting the way it is actually done, but includes numerous passages of dialog explaining and debunking several popular myths about guns and gunfighters.

One of them, pointed out a couple times is that the fastest guy isn't always the winner. And, that on occasion, people have lost gunfights because they were the fastest, but not the most accurate...
 
Fair enough 44.

I am gonna watch the whole film now and seek out those insights. Any time I just point my finger to mimic a gun I think accuracy is near impossible. (for me).

Respect.
Jimmy
 
Different guns, different alloys, different size cylinders, different amounts of force in "the flip" I don't see where you could say X number of times bends it, and have it apply to everything.

If you're old enough to remember Mr Owl and the Tootsie Pop, you already know the answer...

I'm way older than the states of Alaska and Hawaii so I knew Mr. Owl when he was just an owlet. :rolleyes:

I agree that it would be impossible or very impractical to really know what we already know or think we know by testing one individual revolver and expect the results to translate to all other revolvers. However, I think most of us would agree that just one "flip" of the cylinder, even if it was loaded and with vigor, is unlikely to cause any measurable damage to the frame of a quality revolver. If you can't measure the damage, no damage occurred. How many flips it would take to spring a frame might be interesting to know.

I was stationed overseas with the Air Force when Air Policemen still carried 1911 pistols (this was during the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis, so I was also acquainted with Tootsie Pop). After I returned stateside, the Air Force phased out the 1911 and began issuing Smith & Wesson K-frame revolvers, chambered in .38 Special. I worked in the armory where Air Policemen checked out and returned their issued revolver each day of duty. It was common practice for Air Policemen to close the loaded cylinders by flipping them shut at the start of the shift and to flip the loaded cylinder open at a clearing pit (a bucket loaded with sand) before handing it to the armorer with the cylinder open and empty. Though this practice wasn't condoned, it happened and I don't ever recall a revolver sprung out of action-granted, we were ignorant of the possible if not probable damage doing so might cause and we didn't look for any evidence of it happening.

Likewise, for the better part of the thirty years I spent in le we carried J-frame and K-frame Smiths before transitioning to autos and I knew some officers routinely "Bogarted" their revolvers (by then, most of them should have known better but it's been my experience to never look to le officers for advice as to how to properly care for a weapon). Again, I never saw evidence to support the notion that occasionally flipping cylinders necessarily distorts the frame to a noticeable degree. I think it takes a lot of repeated torque to move metal around.

As shurshot said, go to enough gun shows and you will see revolvers exhibiting a noticeable disparity in gap size between the frame and the crane. And whereas "common sense" suggests that flipping the cylinder caused the damage (I certainly believe it's probably the reason most of the time) there are other possibilities (i.e., ammunition overloads, shooting hundreds of thousands of rounds, etc.) that might be the reason-we simply don't know unless we know the history of the individual revolver.

All said, lest anyone think that I'm on the fence about the question, you would be ill-advised to flip a cylinder on one of my revolvers-even once. :mad:

Happy New Year everyone! Let's try to put 2020 behind us and hope for a better year for 2021.
 
About the only thing I would add to what’s already been mentioned, keep your ejector clean. Just a few specks of unburned powder or other crud under the ejector star can make it hard to get the cylinder to rotate or open back up. I’ve been shooting revolvers since the late 70’s and the only two malfunctions I’ve ever encountered were a loose ejector rod, easily fixed with a little blue loctite, and getting a little junk under the ejector star, easily remedied by basic cleaning/maintenance.
 
What #27 said about keeping it clean under the ejector. As for the the ejector rod coming loose, In my 75 years I know of it happening twice, one was loose on a new revolver, the other was on a K22 of mine. It is something to check once in a while. As for the new Python, I'm gonna get one in a year of so once the price settles down, I have a 6" old one and I want a 4" but bottom line the S&W revolver works better for me in double action shooting. The Python is too stagey, S&W is smooth straight thru and has a better feel to it, for me. A Python can be tuned but it's a very expensive gun to tinker with. I don't know if parts are available for the older ones.
Your mileage may vary.
 
That happened to me once with an old Smith. Smith has since modified the rod so it screws the other way. Colt cylinders don't tend to unscrew the rod because they turn the other way. (If it happens to you, use pliers and a piece of leather and screw the rod in (clockwise).
 
I know I'm joining this thread a bit late, but there are several very good sites which speak to the proper use of a revolver / wheelgun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GspksqvtO3k&list=LLY1y0d5ehzIV4ulm298SueA&index=1099

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkWlIhaeuaY

I have only 1 revolver- a .45 Colt SAA- which of course, is not covered in the above two sites; therefore the sites below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_3ENbHvZhE

http://www.peacemakerspecialists.com/connoisseurs-corner/


Hope this helps.......
 
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I was told by an Englishman that the only realistic shot fired with a revolver on film is when Clint fires a revolver at the end of The Unforgiven.

I hadn't ever seen that movie, so I searched for it on DVD-Netflix. The movie of that title stars Bert Lancaster. The Clint Eastwood movie is titled "Unforgiven".
 
A plug for revolvers (and especially for .44mag revolvers), and a relaxed shooting style:

For years, I carried a 10mm Kimber 1911 (every day, from pajamas-off until pajamas-on), in a homemade under-the-shirt vertical shoulder holster. It always seemed very powerful. Then one day I accidentally walked up very close to a momma black bear with two 2nd-year cubs. Fortunately, she didn't attack me, and I survived the incident. But my 10mm didn't seem as powerful after that encounter. I went out that weekend and bought a 4" S&W L-Frame .44mag, and carried it for a couple of years. It turned out to be unreliable FOR ME, probably only because of my VERY relaxed shooting style. So I bought a 5" S&W 629 N-Frame 629 "Classic" (full underlug) .44mag. It's very reliable for me, probably because it is quite a bit heavier than my L-Frame .44mag, and that apparently tolerates my relaxed shooting style. I've carried it for a year or so, and I suspect it will be my carry gun from here on out.

I continued to shoot all of those guns a lot at a range, and I found that I just ENJOYED shooting the revolvers more than the 1911. I was also more accurate with the revolvers ... I ALWAYS shoot them single action, and I've set them up to have very light single-action triggers. Because of my VERY relaxed grip and relaxed and flexed elbows, I can shoot them for a full range session, loaded with full-spec Underwood 240gr Underwoods, with no discomfort at all. My shooting style is very unconventional, but it certainly works well for me.
 
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Buy yourself a nice leather holster

When I was carrying my 10mm 1911, my homemade holster was soft leather. But I made the holster for the Model 69 (the L-Frame .44mag) out of the heaviest cotton cloth that JoAnn's carries. For the Model 629 (the N-Frame .44mag), I ordered what's called "fire-hose cotton" over the internet ... it's supposedly the same stuff that surrounds the rubber fire hoses on fire trucks. The cloth holster I made from that has worked very well.
 
I've got a pic of the Model 69 L-Frame holster rig. I'll try to attach it below. It's very similar to the Model 629 N-Frame holster rig.

holding_44mag_rig.jpg
 
I suspect that you can recognize the grips on the 69 as being the X500 grips. I am indepted to you for introducing me to those grips some years back. I've got them on all my L-frames and N-Frame (specifically, on my 686 and 69, and also on my 629).
 
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