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Point well taken, Articap (and Mykeal).
My biggest fear of the new productions came fron reading IInternet forum threads in which buyers were complaining about Piettas with crooked barrels. Some buyers complained about paying return shipping only to have another Pietta shipped them which had same issue of misaligned barrels.
As a general rule, evidence does support the theory that an older Uberti gun is higher quality than a new production since the metal is softer in today's Uberti
Cosmetic issues are pretty much non issues of you use your guns. Gun bueaty takes a backseat to practicality for me personally. I carry my guns and use them. Purty is nice but the issue with me is whether thre gun is going to shoot every time I pull the trigger. Springs break, but cheap ones break more often. That's why I carry two, just in case one fails when my or my families lives are on the line.
I don't have a gun collection. I have my defense guns. I choose black powder because it is cheaper to shoot than modern firearms. As long as my guns fire when I pull the trigger I'm happy with black powder. I take the extra precaution of using clear fingernail polish to seal the caps so the humidity doesn't harm the powder and so far so good.
You are right; buying a used gun can be win or lose also.
I guess my quality quirks come from the gun my experience with the third Remmie that I don't claim but still own. It is an ASM made in 1994. The gun is well made, but the quality and the feel of it compared to my Lymans is..well, I hate to say for chance of insult to someone who favors an ASM..poorly balanced and cheap. It is like handling a toy in comparison to a real gun. Being rather new to this game, I don't want to make another unsatisfactory purchase. Most of the Remmies I had handled in the past were of the same or slightly better than my ASM.
Money is tight for me, I try to make the best of my purchases. I realize that I did not take all the facts into consideration when articulating my posts. You all seem to be a great bunch of guys with far more knowledge than I possess. I am sorry if i rubbed anybody the wrong way while attempting to explain (poorly) my position.
Regards,
Tim
 
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Apparently you accept and defend their poor workmanship; I don't. Yes, cost is a factor in quality. I still believe that good consistent quality is important in business; I guess I'm old fashioned and do not accept the downward spiral in quality that you defend
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I think that you hear more about the bad ones than the good ones. I've had several Pietta's from Cabela's and all were good quality with no mechanical or cosmetic problems. If you want to compare quality versus cost price a Pietta against a USFA. Yeah the USFA is going to be better quality but is the difference in quality worth the price? Not to me. Besides everybody makes a lemon that slips thru now and then. Colt does it, so does S&W, Glock and everybody else. But for the money you spend you can't beat a Pietta.
 
the metal is softer in today's Uberti
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I've seen no evidence to support that. I have seen the occasional anonymous internet claim, which is a long, long way from evidence.

My personal experience with Uberti, starting with a 1972 Colt Pocket Police and most recently with a 2007 Walker, leads me to the opposite conclusion.
 
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My personal experience with Uberti, starting with a 1972 Colt Pocket Police and most recently with a 2007 Walker, leads me to the opposite conclusion.
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Mykeal, You have more experience to base your conclusion on. I had made a comparison to later Ubertis. However, as you pointed out to me here:
First of all, be very careful about generalizing about an entire population of revolvers based on one or two samples. You have examples, not proof, of 'better metal' used during a certain time frame by a given manufacturer. Someone else may have examples of poor metal used by that same manufacturer in that same time frame. One thing we can be sure of is that quality is an elusive goal and man-made objects can and will vary considerably in quality from day to day!

I would place more emphasis on your research than your two examples. And that's without knowing the source of any of that research. If it's simply anecdotes about what one person found on one gun, there's not much credibility there UNLESS there's lots of people making the same claim, such as was the case in the late 80's and early 90's about the small action parts on some of the Italian replicas.

Second, my earlier post (being quoted here) is perhaps slightly misunderstood. NOBODY makes every part used on the guns that bear their trademark. NOBODY. Period. ALL gun manufacturers use subcontractors to make forgings, castings, springs, grips, etc., or to do machine work, finishing work and even in some cases final assembly work. To say that a Uberti marked gun might contain parts made by someone else is simply stating the obvious. I'll guarantee you that every Uberti marked gun has at least some parts made either partially or completely by someone other than Uberti, and they may not even be under contract to Uberti when they made the part. That's simply standard practice by any and all mass market product manufacturers.
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on the following thread: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406466 II have no basis to make that assumption. I am extremely glad to find out I am wrong on that assumption; that opens a wider range of goodies to choose from. I want a big granddaddy Walker next. Thanks
 
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wow... alot of info on this forum... well putting in my 2 cents is this, i drive a 1980 bronco, ride an 82 suzuki gs and a 78 nautiline houseboat, and also have a 2004 silverado, a 98 sea ray and a 02 vulcan. the chevy the sea ray and the vulcan have had more issues with them then all of my older vehicals combined... also i have an sks, a mossberg 500, and an iver johnson hammerless .32. i like the older stuff because in my opinion "they just don't make 'em like they used to" is a fact. let's take my bronco and silverado head to head in a collision, dollars to doughnuts i'll be driving the bronco home... and i have had the same type of experiance with firearms, give me an original SAA colt vrs a Vaquero any day, the fact is this, older firearms had more people putting their hands on them then the newer ones, back in the day it wasnt about the bottom line it was about making a quality product that people would advertise for you by word of mouth. today it's "how much advertising will get us the most sales?" and if 10% of the guns need to be returned for some "hands on repair" then that fits in with the profit margin, they can afford that when they are selling 10 million guns a year vrs 10 thousand. so they have these cookie cutter guns that more machines touch than people and ship them out and if a few have to be returned then they hire a gunsmith to fix the issue or like they do now just send out a new gun altogether, problem fixed. now they get alot of "well i had this problem but they took care of it" reviews instead of a few "wow what a great piece, i will recomment it"
 
Well said, Suzuki Bruce
BTW, I'm anxious to hear how you like your gun when it arrives.
 
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Hawg, I'm glad you have had good service from Pietta. Cabellas has good pricing. I was eyeing a couple of nice pieces; the 5 1/2 inch '58 and the New Army 58, but the internet rant about crooked barrels and soft metal internals scared me off.I've seen a lot of nice looking Piettas offered used and new. For the money, Pietta is a good buy, that is certain.
Perhaps there is no definite answer to the age old question, " Is Uberti worth the extra money over Pietta?" There are strong arguments on both sides. I think the only thing that matters is that the buyer is happy with his (or her) choice.
 
RemTim; That black '71 - I had one just like it and sold it.I regret it.
SuzukiBruce, you made an excellent choice that I doubt you will regret.It is an Uberti, by the way.
 
RemTim that blued 58 in the pic was made in 2000 and has been ticking along ever since. Up until it got stolen anyway.
 
if it ever shows up... the shop i got it from wanted a copy of my drivers lic. to show i'm 21 (i'm 35) and the address, well i moved a few weeks ago 800 miles away and havent changed my licence over yet. so i sent a pic of my debit card, d.l., soc sec card and an invoice from someting i had shipped here... havent heard anything back from her so i hope its all good. if need be she can ship it to the old address and i'll have my new tennant ship it to me... i got the pistol, original box, owners manual and the triple K holster for $161 + $20 shipping... she ain't backing out on that sweet deal!
 
SirBustaCap, Thank you. It was a Valentine's Day present from my wife. That's just one of the reasons that I'll have it til the day I die unless it gets stolen, then I'd have to take the other one and hunt it down if I knew who had it.
 
yup remtim and remember back powder is not a regulated firearm so most gun laws do not apply... the other reason i like black powder... this is something i posted on another forum

the problem is i live in a carry state noone carries in, we get alot of "outta staters" and they get squeemish when they see a gun, my girlfriend carries a m&p .40 and i carry a .32 iver johnson and i get less funny looks than she does. but i can't be walking around with some girlie mouse gun and my girlfriend has a .40 caliber hand cannon... she always teases me "if i have to, i'll put down what that (pointing at my little gun) wont" so i have been looking at saa style colts but for the "size of hole vrs. cash spent" the remmy is the ticket... and black powder will be the last thing they ever ban... but i do love my antique I.J.'s

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SuzukiBruce, I'm sure you are aware of the ffl requirement for conversion cylinders then there is the increased cost of ammo. If you alternate back and forth between c&p cylinderrs and conversion cylinders, you may have timing issues, or so I read- not sure of that.
yeah I love black powder, I love my rRemmies, but there is a 1847 Walker out there that will be part of my black powder arsenal soon.
 
let's take my bronco and silverado head to head in a collision, dollars to doughnuts i'll be driving the bronco home
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NHTSA and the Traffic Safety Institute have disproven that myth with empirical evidence many, many times over.
 
Mykeal, Is that data a cross the board comparison between older and newer vehicles or just SUVs. I can't help but wonder if for instance a 1972 Monte Carlo were to hit a 2002 Monte Carlo head on,. I would think the 72 model would have considerably less damage. What do you think?
 
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